i remembered reading the articles LAST YEAR comparing it to the 7, and the S class. where is it already? they said it would come out by may 2003. it's not even on the models section of vw.com, i'm checking now. it has some flash thing that's new on the site to check out the phaeton, but i can't view that becuas i'm at work. i'd like to see one when they hit dealers. you know it's going to bomb, considering VW made a $40k car, the Passat W8. and they sold 7 or 8 of them :rofl