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Personally, I only like the coupes for the E46's. I LOVE 330ci's, sooo hot. In turn, the E46 M3 is a real piece of art. But I also love the E36's, again, only the coupes. I dont know why, but to me the 3 series never looked good in 4 doors or covertible. What do you guys think?
 
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The only E36 I'd even own from this point, would be a Euro M3....I almost bought one instead of my current car...the E46's interior is FAR superior to the E36, the chassis is much better on a E46, and the e46's have the looks...
 

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its because 4 doors should be limited to GM and limosines...

e36 - the wiser, yet fatter, older, and harder e30
e46 - the old bum you find on the street who has lots of money and is drunk
 

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umm..i like the 4 drs e36.. dont lik the 4 dr e46...cuz there isnt a m3/4..for those that dont know wha it is..its a 4 dr m3.
 

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hmm, i wouldnt say the E36 is wiser and fatter than the E30. its more refined, and a bigger success for bmw, and made the 3 series the deffinitave sports sedan. but bmw put more concern on marketing the E36 M3 rather than the raw sportyness of the E30 M. not that thats a bad thing, it just started a new direction and target for the 3 series buyers.
the E46 is even more refined, more toned down, more rounded, and is made to compete with mercedes classy executive like sport sedan/coupe imo. but bmw more than made up for it with the E46 M3 which maintained the legendary I-6 rather than forced induction and is considered to be a raw performer, with the advantage of the aggresive M-styling on the E46 design.

its impossible to say which 3 series generation is the best, but generally younger buyers go for the E36 cuz it seems to be a bmw at its best with classic styling, older buyers go for the more refined E46, and enthusiasts go for the E30's (or older) cuz of its strong motorsport history and nostalgic bmw tradition.

just my opinions B)
 
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in what respect is the E46 more refined? Just because its sleeker, grealty improved interior and some other things.....The E46 handles better, accelerates better (due to the larger engines)...the part that matters about a BMW, the E46 is more aggressive in. E36s are getting old now (the newest e36 would be 4 years old) and for reliability/pimp factor a E46 is the way to go....Personaly, id never buy a used car that the model i was buying wasnt made anymore/change and updated.
 

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Tru dat cuh, (directed at mistaM3)

I think one reason e30s dont handle as good as they should are those pos wheels they stick on them. 195 and 14 inch with 65% tire wall. Newer Bm's have the advantage of already coming with low profile tires and huge widths compared for other stock cars on the market.
 

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i totaly adore the looks of the E36 saloon and hate the look of the coupe, but on the E46 i hate the look of the saloon and love the coupe.... :blink:
 

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Originally posted by Fox@May 3 2003, 09:52 PM
Tru dat cuh, (directed at mistaM3)

I think one reason e30s dont handle as good as they should are those pos wheels they stick on them. 195 and 14 inch with 65% tire wall. Newer Bm's have the advantage of already coming with low profile tires and huge widths compared for other stock cars on the market.
yeah that and our licorice-rope sway bars, huge ground clearance, and brick-like aerodynamics. <_< i still love e30's tho :)
 

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I like the huge ground clearence. The rear sway bar is very small, the front is decent size. and i liek bricks i like to throw them. If i could throw my car i would
 

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Originally posted by Fox@May 4 2003, 01:20 AM
I like the huge ground clearence. The rear sway bar is very small, the front is decent size. and i liek bricks i like to throw them. If i could throw my car i would
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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Originally posted by SpeedsterBMW@May 3 2003, 07:34 PM
The E46 handles better
Says who? you?

Actually the E36 handles better, its lighter, has better steering response...etc etc etc.. Most of ///M ethusiasts prefer the handling of the E36 much much better then the E46. And I am talking about the ethusiasts, not just the owners.

You can argue all day about which is better but no one will ever win, it comes down to opinion or preference. Different people like different things.

Here are some reason why I choose to go with an E36.

Lighter
Handles Better
Steering response
Mod factor - i.e. more mods, easier to mod, cheaper, etc etc etc.
Cheaper
looks
Funner to drive IMO

I think the E46 is a great looking car and I agree the interior is nicer and I wouldn't mind owning one, I just personally like the E36 better. I don't know, maybe I am just biased.

However, I think the E46 M3 is a fat pig(3400-3500 is to heavy for a M3) and the steering is to soft. Sure its faster and more powerful but give me $3000 in mods in a E36 M3 and they are pretty much the same, give me forced induction and the E46 M3 will get walked big time.

IMO the E36 M3 is much more car for the money, now you can agree or disagree but that is my opinion and you won't change that.
 

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but that is my opinion and you won't change that.
yes... right... well see about that.


I have my ways....

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Well isnt the E46 M3 almost maxed out on its power? That's why people havent done force induction right? That's what I thought.
 

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yes that is true, the motor is pretty strung out. However some people are doing f/i, I am interested to see how reliable that is. I wouldn't think the car would last to many laps on a track.
 
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the kits ive seen availabe are very low PSI (5psi)...ESS is "supposidly" creating a 550hp S/C for the E46 M3....while the engine is strung out, their is some more hp i can find (lighter flywheeel, headers, throttle bodies), but the true power gains lie in reducing weight. Im doing some research and shaving my car down to size....without loosing my ammenities
 

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right, so you are not adding hp just unleashing it, from what it is already making.
 
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Originally posted by steveo86@May 4 2003, 07:44 AM
right, so you are not adding hp just unleashing it, from what it is already making.
:) EXACTLY!
 

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i read somewhere in an article with a BMW car designer that they almost thought that the E46 was a step down from the late E36. i dunno why , i only skimmed the article but it made me go HMMMMMMMM... i personally think that the E36 was a great car , both the original 3 series and the M3. i do prefer the newer E46 M3, but if they would have never changed the engine sizes i would have easlily gone with a E36 328is over a E46 328ci. but since they came out with the 330ci. it is now my next goal as far as cars go.
 

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OEM pullies, crank/belt driven fan, flywheel and all things like that are parasitic devices that draw power from the engine. Getting larger diameter pullies reduces the amount of force needed to rotate them. Its kinda like getting larger gears for a rear diff. More rotation basically equals more power but less effieciency.
 
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