There's been some dicussion about this new model on some other boards I thought I would open it up for dicussion. The talk is it was a tick quicker .01 of a second the a M5 or M3 which doesen't make sense on a lap time at Nuerburgring Nordschleife. I just got my 04 M3 a couple of months ago. I thought about waiting and getting one of these CTS V caddys, but after doing my homework, I decided its still just basically a CTS with a corvette engine and tranny. This car was not originally designed for this type of performance. It just does not have the balance and the overall true sporting performance of the M. It's really not in the same leaque in my opinon. It's kind of a bastard fit set up. I just have a very hard time beliving this. I haven't seen one but but at the weight of that car I belive if he tried to follow me thru some high g cornering he would loose alot of paint on the guardrails. :drool Isen't that like a 3600 3700 hundred pound car.