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Hey you'd probably come close if not win.. But it would depend on the driver for this one. Manual 330 cab vs SMG2 M3 cab... On the take off the M3 would probably lead on, for very obvious reasons- that "M" badge. The 330 would keep up just because its a manual, and depending on my clutch work I may win to the first corner.

Well actually having driven both SMG and manual I fell in love with the SMG and I believe (and bmw claims) it can shift faster then any human being.
true, but i don't think it's as much fun.
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Originally posted by Lucky+Dec 31 2003, 03:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lucky @ Dec 31 2003, 03:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Ganesh@Dec 28 2003, 02:25 PM
A 2004 BMW E46 M3 equipped with an SMG II gearbox will give that 4S such a work out, it won&#39;t make it to the other end of the track. Yet still, the 2003 GT3 will show the M3 how to play hard. The 2004 E60 M5, however, is another story...
So you are saying an M5 is going to beat a Porsche GT3 on track? ...

Something you probably didn&#39;t know, but the GT3 is faster than a 996 Turbo, at the same time a Turbo can keep up with a Murcielago. The M5 will have grunt, and muscular looks, but is still not a real sports car no matter what you do to it. Look at the CL65 Mercedes. Its a perfect example of what you do when you over-power heavy seden-based cars. It being a seden must obay government limitations and whatnot, just because, overall its still a seden at heart.

There is no possibly way an M5, V10 or not, would out perform a Porsche 996 GT3 (3.6). - The GT3 is way too light to even lose to the M6 BMW will produce. [/b][/quote]
the GT3 is faster than the 996 turbo? i didn&#39;t know that. but i&#39;d rather have the turbo. it has like 30 more hp, and it&#39;s AWD. and it has more features (not as stripped)
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the GT3 is faster than the 996 turbo? i didn&#39;t know that. but i&#39;d rather have the turbo. it has like 30 more hp, and it&#39;s AWD. and it has more features (not as stripped)
Yea it is slightly quicker because of weight mainly. its only 2wd and at the same time has teh 375hp flat6. The Turbo is 4wd, much heavier car just ingeneral, and doesn&#39;t have as good an aerokit as the GT3 for the really high speeds.

Its not really significantly faster in numbers, just on the track, there is barely any body roll.
The Turbo is more desireable just because of its practicality.
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if you race a 330 cab manual vs an M3 SMG II you will loose badly. He&#39;ll take you by several car lengths in a straight race and beat you even worse on the track.
Well I cant judge since I haven&#39;t driven the SMG2, but I still think it would be up to the driver. If you look at it this way, (from what I know, which may not be much) the M3 is a lighter 330 with more cubic capacity and an exhaust system. Its nice yes, but not a huge jump from the highend 330, and if we are talking about cabriolets, then its even harder to distinguish how much quicker the M3 would be.

Dont get me wrong, im fully aware the M3 would win that race, but my question is would it really be several car lengths ahead...? I&#39;d understand if both were coupes.
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Originally posted by Lucky+Dec 31 2003, 09:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lucky @ Dec 31 2003, 09:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cam540@Dec 31 2003, 01:55 PM
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if you race a 330 cab manual vs an M3 SMG II you will loose badly. He&#39;ll take you by several car lengths in a straight race and beat you even worse on the track.
Well I cant judge since I haven&#39;t driven the SMG2, but I still think it would be up to the driver. If you look at it this way, (from what I know, which may not be much) the M3 is a lighter 330 with more cubic capacity and an exhaust system. Its nice yes, but not a huge jump from the highend 330, and if we are talking about cabriolets, then its even harder to distinguish how much quicker the M3 would be.

Dont get me wrong, im fully aware the M3 would win that race, but my question is would it really be several car lengths ahead...? I&#39;d understand if both were coupes. [/b][/quote]
i think the M3 cabrio weighs like 300 lbs more than the 330 coupe. i&#39;m not sure on the exact numbers. and i think it would be pretty close if the drivers are equal, the coupe is much tighter with less body roll.

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Okay I hear what you&#39;re saying, but I would love to see the GT3 and the E60 M5 race...just to see what exactly would happen...not to get off topic or anything...I would take that GT3 over any other Porsche out. As far as that GT3 keeping up with a Murcielago, I don&#39;t know about that.
Whats the confusion... The Murcielago is much heavier than the GT3, and most likely has more understeer. The Murcielago is just a supercar, that doesn&#39;t mean it is a faster track car. Its a great track car, but not one of the faster ones. Its almost like taking a completely stock Ferrari 575M on the track- against a GT3, which is the street car of the GT3 cup (or RS), im not sure the 575 would be much quicker.
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Okay I hear what you&#39;re saying, but I would love to see the GT3 and the E60 M5 race...just to see what exactly would happen...not to get off topic or anything...I would take that GT3 over any other Porsche out. As far as that GT3 keeping up with a Murcielago, I don&#39;t know about that.
Whats the confusion... The Murcielago is much heavier than the GT3, and most likely has more understeer. The Murcielago is just a supercar, that doesn&#39;t mean it is a faster track car. Its a great track car, but not one of the faster ones. Its almost like taking a completely stock Ferrari 575M on the track- against a GT3, which is the street car of the GT3 cup (or RS), im not sure the 575 would be much quicker. [/b][/quote]
the murcy is 3x the price, i would hope it&#39;s faster. and what do you mean by track, because the evo 8 is faster than the murcy in the slalom
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Well actually having driven both SMG and manual I fell in love with the SMG and I believe (and bmw claims) it can shift faster then any human being.
It sounds like its fun to mess with, I&#39;ll seriously have to give it a try.

Have you driven a Ferrari F1 to compare it with or any other F1 sequential transmission?

-If its more like quick shifting then you&#39;d blow me away in the race.
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Remember guys the 4s is about a 90,000 dollar car. An M3 equipped with the s54 engine will be right there in performance. Again proof of how good the M3 really is. I think it would be all about the driver. Hey we even have a back seat and an engine that does not sound like a can full of rocks on cold start up. The 4s is an awsome car but how would the M3 perform if you put 30K more in it? It would not even be close. The M3 is truley a remarkable car.

My friends C4s was &#036;82,000 in 2002.


But whats with all the bench racing speculation? Has anyone looked up comparable performance stats on them? Try the web site for the Nurburgring:
http://www.nordschleife.no/
There you will see that the best time recorded for a C4s is 8min, 16 seconds with a Porsche test driver.
The best time posted for a stock E46 M3 is 8min 22 seconds in a 2000 E46 M3 with a BMW test driver.

They also list a modified E36 M3 at 8 minutes, 11 seconds.

Can anyone else provide some comparable stats on both cars, both from the same source?
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Well I looked for other stats with no luck finding a comparison but what about a 2003 or 04 M3 vs. a newer 4s?
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Originally posted by Lucky+Dec 31 2003, 07:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lucky @ Dec 31 2003, 07:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cam540@Dec 31 2003, 01:55 PM
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if you race a 330 cab manual vs an M3 SMG II you will loose badly. He&#39;ll take you by several car lengths in a straight race and beat you even worse on the track.
Well I cant judge since I haven&#39;t driven the SMG2, but I still think it would be up to the driver. If you look at it this way, (from what I know, which may not be much) the M3 is a lighter 330 with more cubic capacity and an exhaust system. Its nice yes, but not a huge jump from the highend 330, and if we are talking about cabriolets, then its even harder to distinguish how much quicker the M3 would be.

Dont get me wrong, im fully aware the M3 would win that race, but my question is would it really be several car lengths ahead...? I&#39;d understand if both were coupes. [/b][/quote]
It also has more then 100 more HP then the 330&#33;&#33;
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Wouldn&#39;t even be close...
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the murcy is 3x the price, i would hope it&#39;s faster. and what do you mean by track, because the evo 8 is faster than the murcy in the slalom
Well, what I mean by track is taking both to Nurnburgring, for example.

The murcielago will only have the advantage of top speed agaisnt the GT3. An Evo 8, at Nurnburgring, probably wouldn&#39;t beat a stock C2 996, not sure what you are getting at with it beating a Murcielago.
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Wouldn&#39;t even be close...
I suppose it wouldn&#39;t... Im just putting up an argument for the hell of it&#33;

I would get an M3 myself, but the Porsche is just more fun. Wonder who would win the race between my targa and your M3 cab.


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the murcy is 3x the price, i would hope it&#39;s faster. and what do you mean by track, because the evo 8 is faster than the murcy in the slalom
Well, what I mean by track is taking both to Nurnburgring, for example.

The murcielago will only have the advantage of top speed agaisnt the GT3. An Evo 8, at Nurnburgring, probably wouldn&#39;t beat a stock C2 996, not sure what you are getting at with it beating a Murcielago. [/b][/quote]
Actually the evo did take out the Murcielago on the track. The test was carried out by a british car magazine I believe. If i can find it I&#39;ll post a link.
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