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#1 (permalink) Old 04-22-2005, 09:17 AM
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Well guys, Checking out a local boy racer forum (I need meat to break my car in )I came across this video.

I'm warning you all, It's so disheartening i nearly cried. I just wanted to reach into my screen and strangle the guy driving the M3.

A quick explanation of what the video shows... A Citreon Saxo VTS (Supercharged to be fair, pushing about 220bhp) vs an E46 M3 (Standard afaik).

The M3, as it should takes off to a flying start, getting pretty much a length on the saxo by 60. However, the saxo begins to pull it back, and the rest is pretty self explanatory!

How the HELL does a saxo beat an M3? I'll tell you how, stupid little rich boy teenagers driving their daddys car thinking they know how to race. I'm SO MAD

Here it is anyway: http://www.dls-design.co.uk/videos/johnsaxo.mpeg

A sad day for all BMW drivers, let alone M3 enthusiasts!
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#2 (permalink) Old 04-22-2005, 10:46 AM
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What kind of a moron was driving that M3?? looks like he was shifting at 3K RPM ghead
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Just goes to show, no matter how much Horsepower you put in a car, unless the driver knows how to use it, it's useless. What a moron! ghead

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Maybe it was auto.

EDIT: I didn't watch the video.


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Auto makes no difference except at the launch, and he takes the lead at the start. He was just a poor driver.

He was scottish i think, which may explain it
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I'm gonna watch the vid now.

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Maybe it was auto.
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I think the 96-99 luxury m3's were available with automatics, as well as just having an automatic version of the e36 m3 (in the us at least). Don't really know about the e46... there might be though?


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I think the 96-99 luxury m3's were available with automatics, as well as just having an automatic version of the e36 m3 (in the us at least). Don't really know about the e46... there might be though?
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Depends on what you count as automatic.
As you said the US had an automatic alternative in the E36 M3.
No other country had that.

Then there were the SMG gearbox that could be used as an automatic but isn't :P
Was an option from 96 here at least.

In the E46 the SMG-II is an alternative and it can be used as a regular automatic car, i.e. you can put it in auto mode.
But it's not a conventional automatic and no such thing is available either.

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I coiunt SMG as SMG... not quite manual, not quite automatic. I think I might actually prefer that (SMG) over manual - I don't know, never tried it. Sounds REALLY fun though. I don't see why you'd need a mode for automatic with an SMG - you got to be REAL ... well, okay, you don't deserve an m if you don't understand at least WHEN to shift, if not how, yah.
I know this is all off topic, but do they make SMG conversions for the e36 m3? Specifically, my car?
The only thing I'm afraid of is the dynamics of the SMG; I heard it's like an automatic transmission (maintenance and parts wise), and it's durability is under question as it's only been released recently (as far as I know). Any updates to my aging information?


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Convertions? Don't know.

You could order the SMG as a stock option on all (non US it appears) E36 M3's from 96 and on. I would think it could be fitted into your car too.
It's not as good as SMG-II that came in the E46 M3, regarding shiftspeeds.

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To be fair, respect to the guy who was driving the saxo.....but still....a SAXO beating an e46 M3????

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I know u get can get the e36 m3/4's in auto, they are the main m's that were made in auto. Actual auto tho not smg. I know for a fact because someone near me has a e36 4 door m3 that is auto and supercharged.



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So do you think a conversion might be possible? The only worry I have is that the SMG in the 96-99 seems to take up the space of the climate control - something I can live without, but I would prefer that the less sturdy instrumentation be left alone if possible so as not to complicate things. If anyone has any info on an SMG conversion to an e36/M52 m3...


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