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Old 03-11-2004, 11:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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wow, there sure is a whole lot of action around these south west states eh? i think i've only seen one other utahn so far in the forum. oh well. here is a shout out to all my fellow utahns anyway.
did you non-utahns know that you cant buy beer in utah on sunday in most areas? thats pretty sweet eh? there is nothing like having bratwurst and rootbeer for your sunday barbecue. ghead
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I feel your pain brother.......... are you a mormanian? don't mormanians not like electricity and big cities?
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Old 03-12-2004, 03:26 PM   #3 (permalink)
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no, i'm one of the six utah residents that are not. and as far as i know there isn't anyone in horse drawn carriages around here; i think they've embraced technology a bit more than the amish- but i think there still are a few small hidden towns of extremists that encourage having many wives.

i'm i salt lake city. it's a good sized city and there's enough to do (if you don't plan on drinking alot of beer ) but the city is like 70% mormon. the influence is overwhelming. nightlife is cut shorter than most places(1a.m. last call, 2a.m.close-no exceptions), drinks and shots are metered at one oz alchohol, beer is 3.2 percent everywhere, not to mention there is a church on damn near every corner. it must've seemed strange for all the olympic visitors in '02. it's a beatiful city though.
anyway sorry for the utah history novel.
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no it's cool... I had no idea that was how Utah was... I guess if you can get over the fact that a lot of people are from the same religion, and that it is a big influence throughout the city, then it really sounds like a pretty cool place... but that thing about the alcohol and shots is barbarious...
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...don't mormanians not like electricity and big cities?
I'm from Utah...and I'm mormon...and we're NOT amish...but I do get a good laugh when people think we are...

so....yea...I'd be happy to clear up any misconceptions about "the mormon state"
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I'm not from the "Mormon state" but I can back up yammahamma with the LDS facts/myths.

Mormanian.... That's a new one.
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ldsbeaker <---you said it in your name all this time and I've never put it together...ha ha ha.

Your from NC? I lived in the south for a couple years...NC is kinda the south huh?
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I'm not FROM NC, I live in NC, because that's where the Marine Corps told me to go. I guess it's kinda the south... They sure do like Lynard Skynard, sweet tea, and vinegar bbq sauce. There's also this faint tension in the air, you know, the whole "we lost the war (civil) and we're still pissed about it" tension. You'd have to live here to know.
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Yea I miss the south...I don't think I could ever live there but it was fun for a while....I think you really have to be born in the south to really be accepted. I still find myself slippin' into ghetto talk every now and again....
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so....yea...I'd be happy to clear up any misconceptions about "the mormon state"
Honestly, how do you guys deal with that whole planet thing? And why does every missionary I run into tell me that he's been instructed not to discuss patristic history?

I felt so bad for Mormon missionaries at Oxford...they would stand around in Cornmarket and nobody would talk to them...being one of the most atheistic universities in the world, and all.
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Old 02-18-2006, 04:38 PM   #11 (permalink)
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...whole planet thing? And why does every missionary I run into tell me that he's been instructed not to discuss patristic history?

I'm not sure I know what you mean by "whole planet thing"....do you mean sending missionaries all over the world? Well, the thing is, it's not a requirement to be a missionary...we choose to do or choose not to do that.....no one forces people to be missionaries. So it's not really a matter of "dealing with it"--it's our choice. But I'm not sure if that's what you were getting at....


I had to look up the word "patristic" and the only definition I could find had something to do with the fathers of the church, more specifically the fathers preserving the facts of the gospel starting around the time of the ending of the new testament (around 100 A.D.) and ending around the 8th century.

I've never heard of missionaries being instructed not to talk about the history of Christianity...unless, of course, the person(s) that they're talking to are just trying to start an argument.

The patristic era has alot to do with religion today and why so many people believe in so many different ways...that is if I understand "patristic history" right...

what speciffically do you want to discuss about it?
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Let me give a little bit of background about me, and maybe you'll understand why I find certain things curious. I'm a Catholic, and I did undergrad philosophy at Notre Dame, with a near-minor in theology, and then the joint honour school of philosophy and theology MA at Oxford in the UK. Patristic theology was my theological concentration.

By "planet thing," I mean the Mormon understanding of how the plan for salvation came to be (soteriology) and the Mormon understanding of the afterlife and the ultimate end for humanity (eschatology).

When missionary acquaintances of mine have proposed various bits of Mormon theology to me, I have pursued lines of questioning regarding their constistency with patristic theology, and have basically gotten the response, "we don't talk about that."
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...I did undergrad philosophy...a near-minor in theology...the joint honour school of philosophy and theology...Patristic theology was my theological concentration.

boy oh boy...if I was approached by someone with that much knowledge and study under his belt I might use the excuse "we don't talk about that..." just to avoid getting into a battle of "who knows more..."

The knowledge I have of the history of religion comes mostly from talking to people on the street. I served as a missionary for two years in "the Bible belt" For two years I taught/talked with the people of Mississippi and Louisianna. Although I've studied religion my whole life, through personal study and seminary, most of my knowledge (at least of other religions) comes from my years as a missionary...so I'm not sure if I could hold up an intelligent conversation with a man of your knowledge...but I really enjoy learning...

I've only talked to a few Catholic people (well talk to about religion/beliefs) over the years, but I've never really been able to learn much about Catholicism.
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I didn't mean to scare you off. I just wanted to make it very clear that I'm interested for sincere academic reasons and not because I want to get in a pissing match about things that I don't understand.
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...I'm interested for sincere academic reasons and not because I want to get in a pissing match...

^^ good call...I've argued with enough people in my day...let me know if there are any questions I can answer...
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