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From Umnitza...$710 shipped to my doorstep in 7 days!
Well packaged but big initial gripes were complete absence of paperwork with product...no warranty,papers, reciepts, manual, warnings, nothing...
Product:ZKW Euro Ellipsiod Projectorsw/ 6000K X-tec HIDs.

This review is good for all thos buying Projectors Sold with HIDs, just understand that ZKWs are to be the best brand and only OEM brand of Projectors. Depo, and anything bought on Ebay and lower quality and OE (not Old English :P ).

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Self Installion is not very tricky ...but be WARNED that you MUST unplug your battery during installation and you MUST change BOTH your lowbeam fuses from 7 Amps to 15 Amps (not 10 Amps) during installation NOT AFTER. Then once the HIDs Projectors are in and the fuses are changed then check your wiring. Make SURE that no wire under the hood is left exposed especially the wires around the HID Ballasts and wires going to and from the ballast. Also if you can wrap the ballast wires again in electrical tape to be sure it doesn't surge extra voltage into the car's ground. Then re-check your wires once again. NOW Plug in your battery. Start your car and let it run a few minutes before turning on the HID lights. Also turn the AC on full blast and the rear window defroster on (Do not turn on your radio system yet)! This will prevent all the power from surging when you flip the HID lowbeam switch. Whiles waiting you can test the high beams and the city DRL lights. After about 5 minutes turn the HID lowbeams on and observe visually the light itself (it will do something wierd the first time you flip them on...thats okay) and listen to your engine compartment for any fuses or relay clicking sounds...if any turn off your car and unplug the battery immedately then re-check wires and fuses and start over. If you suspect faulty wiring, troubleshoot the wires especially at the HID ballast even if it mean digging back into your bumper or wherever you hid the HID ballast box (don't be lazy). But the keep in mind that problem would more than likely be with those low beam wires...don't get caught up with the high beam wires because they look more complex and vunerable..

Also an important and never mentioned anywhere before note on the DRL city lights...these are NOT plug and play...I felt duped when they never came on and It took me about 30 minutes to figured out that I would need to buy wires and wiring cutting/splicing tools ($10-$20 at Radio Shack) and become an expert on wire splicing and circuitry....well to put it like this you gotta link (meaning splice or join together and wrap with electrical tape) the city DRL lights' "power wire" with one of the 3 wires that go into the parking bulbs (you're doing this for both sides of the car...passenger and drivers). But the trick is it has to be the wire that only powers the bulb as a "parking light"" and not a "turn signal flasher". One wire going to the parking is brown..this is the ground wire-leave it alone. The other two are the wires in queston. If you did the parking light delete mod...the wire you're looking for now is the same wire you cut. If you're like me...and never did that mod read on...
The color of the wire we are looking for is usually quoted as being "voilet" (I was told)..but its not always the case. On my passenger side my 3 wires were green, brown and yellow on the driver's side bulb they were blue brown and yellow. I was also told by an online DIY to unplug fuses and relays to find out which wire is which...this is all timeconsuming bullshit. The simple way, I discovered, is to remove your fender turn indicators (this shares the same wires with the parking bulb...but not all 3 wires only 2 wires are shared-see where I'm going with this :wink ) and look at the two wires that is powering them...one will be brown (that is the ground) and the other color will be the same color as the wire that you are NOT splicing when you slice the city DRL lights with the parking bulbs. Think about it and you'll understand...but it's just important that you understand that the City Lights are NOT plug and play! Also unplug your battery before you cut these or any wires connected to your car...I learned this the hard way.



Anyway back to the X-Tec HIDs...these HIDs are nice as well are the ZKWs...but I drove around the block the first time after installion and parked to look at them from the distance to see if I needed to adjust anything and I noticed a few problems with the ZKWs (well potential problems):

1) The driver's side headlights were fogging up already? used, It hasn't rained, or anything and I've only driven the car a few yards and for a minute or so. Anyway it went away since then and did not return. Why would $700 ZKWs fog in dry cool weather (40 degrees out)? and what am I to expect when it actually rains?

2) Also the driver's light (again) seems to be tilted about 20-30% above the flat line of the hood. So when I pull up behind other drivers at the red light. My HID on that side floods their cabin with white light. I mean I could see the back of this one guys head in such details. Anyway can projector HIDs be adjusted like reflectors? If so how? Ididnt see anything in the back of the low beam housing. used

3) The HIDs are too white white (like my old silverstars)..I thought the 6000k luminosity was bluish white side. I got the 6000 k. But someone on an HID forum said the 6000 k plus HID lights will be white for the first few times its on and then it will become bluer and bluer over the first few weeks of driving. Is this true? Also I thought the lights were very bright but not much brighter than my old silverstars....even though the HID light output (in terms of distance from the front of the car outwards) is phenomenal the brightness seems average and on par wih silverstars....see pictures...Am I wrong here? used

BOTTOM LINE: There is none. The lights are great, but if you don't have $710. Dont rob a bank to get these...I'll justify at this time that $20 Silverstars are just as bright and good as 6000K HIDs. but don't quote me wrong Silverstars CANNOT compensate for the light output in distance, height, wiidth, depth and beauty as Projector HIDs. Recommended only for those with money to burn!!! ...Everyone else you'll be doing just as fine without these!!!
4 outta 5 Thumbs!

Anyway...thanks again Umnitza...I love the lights....just ship them with paperwork next time...enjoy the pictures....MORE PICS WILL BE POSTED later in week.





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vry nice review for the e36 section!!
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vry nice review for the e36 section!!
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thanks..i'll post pictures to go with the installation instructions....I found that all the DIYs I read on installing Euro Ellipsiods were very incomplete...whole parts of the process were missing and some of it was confusing...I fund I combned like 3 or 4 DIYs and used what I could with m own intuition. Sadly I ended up messing up and killing my battery. But now it's about time someone tells it like it really is....
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1) The driver's side headlights were fogging up already? confused.gif, It hasn't rained, or anything and I've only driven the car a few yards and for a minute or so. Anyway it went away since then and did not return. Why would $700 ZKWs fog in dry cool weather (40 degrees out)? and what am I to expect when it actually rains?
As I said beofre in a other thread. This will happen once every season when the barometer changes. If It happends frequently for a 2 weeks period e-mail them.

2) Also the driver's light (again) seems to be tilted about 20-30% above the flat line of the hood. So when I pull up behind other drivers at the red light. My HID on that side floods their cabin with white light. I mean I could see the back of this one guys head in such details. Anyway can projector HIDs be adjusted like reflectors? If so how? Ididnt see anything in the back of the low beam housing.
These headlights are adjustable both low beam and high beam.
For Aiming Refer to: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showt...t=ZKW%2A+aiming


3) The HIDs are too white white (like my old silverstars)..I thought the 6000k luminosity was bluish white side. I got the 6000 k. But someone on an HID forum said the 6000 k plus HID lights will be white for the first few times its on and then it will become bluer and bluer over the first few weeks of driving. Is this true? Also I thought the lights were very bright but not much brighter than my old silverstars....even though the HID light output (in terms of distance from the front of the car outwards) is phenomenal the brightness seems average and on par wih silverstars....see pictures...Am I wrong here?
Yes as they heat up more and more they will change color. Althought I think the HID's put the silverstars to shame (My own personal oppinion). Then again on the plus side HID's last 5 Years.



BOTTOM LINE: There is none. The lights are great, but if you don't have $710. Dont rob a bank to get these...I'll justify at this time that $20 Silverstars are just as bright and good as 6000K HIDs. but don't quote me wrong Silverstars CANNOT compensate for the light output in distance, height, wiidth, depth and beauty as Projector HIDs. Recommended only for those with money to burn!!! rock.gif ...Everyone else you'll be doing just as fine without these!!!
4 outta 5 Thumbs! thumbs.gif thumbs.gif thumbs.gif thumbs.gif

Anyway...thanks again Umnitza...I love the lights....just ship them with paperwork next time...enjoy the pictures....MORE PICS WILL BE POSTED later in week.
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do you have to turn your ac and deforster on everytime you turn on your lights? or just during installtion?
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do you have to turn your ac and deforster on everytime you turn on your lights? or just during installtion?
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is it me. or do those beams look sloppy? or is it just the pic. does it look like this at all
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is it me. or do those beams look sloppy? or is it just the pic. does it look like this at all

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I agree compared to all the pictures I've seen on Umnitza's sites my 6000k looks whiter and sloppier in terms of projection...the light is all over the place. I was on the highway tonight and I had road signs almost half a mile away lit up. I didn't believe it until I turned off my HID beam and saw everything go dark on the road. Anyway...Umnitza told me I have to play with the aiming...so I will see after I do that. But my lights are white....after a few nights of driving and observing...I've come to the conclusion that my HIDs have absolutely NO blue tint in them, they're just regular white lights... used used used , Even compared to T-Mac's pictures of his 6K HID (and he confirmed with me that his 6k HID beam gives of whitish-blue light but it looks blue coming out of the projector) my 6K HIDs are white in the projector and gives off pure white light....what's up with that?
I'll post more pictures once I adjust the headlights. But I'm not too happy with the 6K HID hype.
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you should ask umnitza about the blueish tint.
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No not always only when you plug back in your battery and before you turn the HID low beams on for the FIRST time ever. This prevents you car from power surging and killing your battery or worst case frying your car's circuit. This is due to the fact that your battery gives off 12 Volts and the HIDs need 12,000 Volts to power themselves on and less voltage to stay on. The HID Ballasts is what, by means of something close to magic, transvert 12V into 12,000V ! But the first time you turn on your lights the battery will be like "WTF" and there will be a slight surge of power to the HIDs (you actually see this when the HID beams flickers from purple to green to white in less than a second before settling into the normal luminosity).

Also try not to turn on or play with the HID beams when the car is not running if you like having your battery functioning.
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Compare my ZKW w/ 6K HIDs to T-Macs Depo w/ 6K HIDs

Notice the blue light in the projector:


Notice the whitish-blue lights coming out the projector:


Notice the cool as sig w/ genuine 6000 HID blue light in those projectors...nothing like my 6000 HID sig pictures huh?


So now are in my ZKWs? That's what I want to know..... used





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well in your pics. they look blusih to me. they probabyl need to be aimed.
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Okay..I just went back outside and took some close ups pictures of the headlights and sort of played with the leveler and leveled them out a bit. I realized that it only looks more blue-ish due to my camera flash. I do admit there is some tiny bit of bluish hue coming out the projector..but its more of a glare (similar to the bluish glare that emanates from silverstars)...Anyway look at the pictures and judge for yourself whether my 6k HIDs are identical to TMAC's 6k HIDs(see above) NOTE: Regardless my dissapointment with the the lack of blue (which is trivial) I'm still very happy with the performance of these lights and I reccommend them and Umnitza as well.



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