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Old 02-19-2005, 01:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Well it has been 1000 or so miles since the tires went on my 2002 325i.......

The original Continentals= terrible...replaced at 28k and they were toast.

The replacement Yoko's I was talked into by Discount tire= worse, gave them back.

The Michelin HGT-x4's= better than both the above but perfomance went away after 35k even though there appeared to be ample tred left. This caused a terrible tramling problem.

The BFGoodrich Traction T/A's= So far so great! Tramling GONE! These tires seem to out handle the other three by a fairly wide margin. I have had the opportunity to drive them in a wide variety of weather already (Michigan-yuk). They have been the best in weather as well. Quiet. Gas milage seems to be about 35 miles per tank better.

I drive quite a bit of highway as my commute. I drive somewhat aggressvive, but not real aggressive. You might think I was in a little bit of a hurry but I don't drive aggressive enough to annoy people.

Price? I paid $318.00/installed and out the door (tax included) for all four with the lifetime rotate rebalance at Discount tire. This included me giving back the Michelins. They appeared to believe they would get some warrenty re-imburssment from Michelin.

I will report back if my oppinion of these changes.......

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Old 02-19-2005, 05:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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jim: this is $318 for FOUR tires?????
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Old 02-19-2005, 10:12 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Yep.

It went like this:

I called the Discount tire that I normally go to in Macomb MI on a Saturday morning. The manager there said he did not have the tires in stock but that the store in Troy MI did. I asked him to send someone over there to get them. He was too busy but promised them in his store the following Monday. No good. I have 1 day a week (Saturday) to try to get this sort of stuff done. I called the store in Troy myself and was quoted $114.95 a tire out the door. I explained that I saw them on tire rack for far less and also that I thought the guy at the Macomb store would give me a better deal because I did not care for the Michelins. I also told him of my Saturday problem and that I was willing to drive to his location right then (30+ miles away) if he gave me a better deal. He said hang on a second and came back at $75 per tire plus tax. I asked his name and told him that I would be there in 35 minutes and to please have them ready. He did.
The T/A's are "H" rated.

The Michelins were XGT-H4's. Not HGT-X4's as I incorrectly stated in my original post....sorry.

Good deal?

BTW- I talked to a few people (asked for advice here as well) and used the site below in my decision to by the T/A's.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?ti...ction%20T/A%20H
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Old 02-20-2005, 08:58 AM   #4 (permalink)
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you should stay wid da man, he seems to be honourable.

btw, did you knwo that michelin OWNS bfgoodrich?....
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you should stay wid da man, he seems to be honourable.

btw, did you knwo that michelin OWNS bfgoodrich?....
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Actually, the guy at the Troy store told me that Michelin made them while putting the tires on.....Ironic eh?

The tires are very different though. Trust me.


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Old 02-20-2005, 11:00 AM   #6 (permalink)
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could not agree more. mxv4 were utter crap, bfg kdws were very good (on my prior passat).
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Hi Aloyouis

I have just prurchase a 2002 325I with the sport package. By the looks of the tires I will need to replace them this spring. What size tires did you purchase? Would you recomend these tires. I was also looking at the Yoko.
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Hi Aloyouis

I have just prurchase a 2002 325I with the sport package. By the looks of the tires I will need to replace them this spring. What size tires did you purchase? Would you recomend these tires. I was also looking at the Yoko.
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I replaced with the factory size (205/55/16). I believe that your car has 17's due to the sport package. Discount Tire has a Yoko tire that is a "house" tire (only they sell it) that they like to push. I can't remember the name but it was squishy at best. I just spent the day driving thru 7 inches of blasted snow today and I like these even more. They handle great and are exceptional (so far) in the snow.

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michelin pilot sports are the way to go if you are gonna buy michilens, but i have never had a bad experience with any michelin, i currently have dunlop g/t qualifiers and am very satisfied with them, i wouldnt have bought them but they were brand new and on the wheels i got for my car
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I was looking through tirerack.com and from what I've seen, the best tire on there were the Pirelli PZero Nero's. At 225/50-16, comes at $100/tire but also come with high ratings. My old Pirelli's lasted ~40,000 miles (Mercedes 190E) with spirited driving. Now, on my 328i, I'm looking into a newer more advanced set. There are no Discount Tire outlets in my area, so STS charging $37/tire installed is my next best bet.

Check out the Pirelli's stats: Click Here

I saw most others and wasn't really impressed. The dealer told me to only purchase Continental tires stating that Pirelli's were the "WORST TIRE FOR ANY BMW." These Pzero Nero's got alot of good reviews. They'll be my next set, soon I hope. My bald tires may not last the rest of the week.

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I have BFGoodrich Traction T/A's they are really good tire and not that expensive too. Check them out at tirerack.
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Pirellis are the worst tire for bimmers, they are hard as dick and they have the tendency to fall apart before the tread wears out
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so this is my take on michelins:

pilot sports: sublime, fantastic tire. very expensive.
anything else from michelin: not even market standard, and also expensive. so all these other choices i think are better.
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Pirellis are the worst tire for bimmers, they are hard as dick and they have the tendency to fall apart before the tread wears out
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What are you basing this on, one experience? How would the tire react differently than on other cars? My old pirelli's lasted ~30,000 miles on a rear wheel drive car, and the new owner used it for more than that.

Can anyone else provide more detailed info on this theory?

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i have personally seen many pirellis that have come apart before the tread wears out, plus i dont like a hard tire and most pirellis i have seen were hard as a rock. Michelins are the best tire on the road, you will rarely find one that isnt perfectly round
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