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#1 (permalink) Old 09-22-2004, 07:31 PM
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Which one rules the AWD turbocharged 4?

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Here is a quote from my local forum. He has a good amount of info for both....

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Some history....I was a big lobbier on getting thw WRX to the states in the late 90's. It finally got here and A was very close on getting the famous flat 4 turbo that has been available everywhere but the US. Probably due to the success of the WRX, (Subaru of America was a bit overwhelmed) the EVO came out with great performance numbers while still being a good value. I test drove an EVO just after Robbie bought his...(what he didn't know was that I was #1 in line for the EVO at McClinton heheh)
After the test drive I decided to wait a little bit (January 2003 was when the STi was unveiled at the Autoshow) since i heard the STi was coming out. But without a doubt i was going to get one of them..a test drive was going to be the factor.

Anyways...Here's my Pros and Cons list and are based solely on my opinion.

EVO
Pros:
+GREAT handling
+Best steering feel this side of a Porsche.
+You definately feel the boost
+Exterior looks awesome
+Great seats
+overall fast car
+Seats are decent (I'm 6 ft. 230lbs.)
+Great aftermarket parts selection
+ HID xenon headlights

EVO (inital feelings...haven't driven it very much)
Cons:
-Interior dashboard, gauges look mediocre
-Low-end power isn't quite there
-No cruise (at least in Robbie's )
-Questionable daily driver due to direct yet harsh suspension
-Front seats are not suitable for 220lbs.+ people

Subaru WRX STi (my daily driver with 19,000miles)
Pros:+2.5L has a great streetable torque curve.
+6 spd- puts you in powerband almost 100% of the time
+Handling is streetable, fun and gives good feeback, doesn't beat you up
+Seats are perfect for my size.
+Headroom is very good. Fully adjustable seat including pump up and down. Gives pefrect head clearance even with full face or open face helmet on.
+Exterior looks are great. (I'm a bit biased since I was coming from another yet different body styled Sube)
+ DCCD (driver controlled center differential)- A fun little device with 6 settings that will make your car feel more like a rear wheel drive car (open diff) if you want
+HID xenon headlights
+ exciting performance from the turbo engine, with 300hp and 300 lbs. torque (similar performacne numbers with the EVO)=weeeeeee
+ good overall build quality
+ Sube dealerships are pretty good

Cons:
-price-gas mileage is bad for a 4cyclinder
-steering feel is good/great but not even close to the EVO's
- Handling is good/great but no quite as good as the EVO's
- like the EVO, STi might be suffering from the "voided warranty" issue if your car has mod
- potential expensive repairs after warranty expires ($$ tranny and engine)
- limited aftermarket go-fast parts...but it is getting much better

(obviosuly I have more pros and cons on the Sube since its my daily driver.)

(FYI, there are some changes to the 2005 STi...
+new steering rack which should solve the vague feelin like my car
+ wider wheels and lug pattern...probably more choices for aftermarket
+ revised and better looking interior
-price?


Conclusion, it really depends on personal preference. Even thou that's not a great answer to the debate, its that close. These 2 cars are very similar yet different at the same time. Its not liek we are comparing a Ferrari and a BMW or Porsche and a VW.....its really a much closer battle.

Personally, there were just a small few things that made me get the STi..and I've been very happy with the car since day 1.
Nevertheless, either car is going to be a blast for you to drive. (including Mid-Ohio raceway!) You can't go wrong.

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the evo out performs some of the "super cars" on the salom course

evo doesnt have as much power as the sti but it makes up for it in lighter wieght,(75lbs) for the a slightly wider wheel base ( 3 inches i think) besides STi's are over rated if you ask me.

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i'm leaning toward the STi for now... but that could all change

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It's true, both are nice cars.

Tough decision. The STI IMO is the favorite. Not like I'm a buy it though...heh... .

Either way. Might as well just toss a coin or something. Or at least black mail your seller with the fact that you might as well buy an EVO...



btw...it's slalom.
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It's true, both are nice cars.

Tough decision. The STI IMO is the favorite. Not like I'm a buy it though...heh... .

Either way. Might as well just toss a coin or something. Or at least black mail your seller with the fact that you might as well buy an EVO...



btw...it's slalom.
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well i'm goin to the subaru dealership and i'm gonna tell them:
i can get 0% apr on an evo....

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typo, im a ski racer. i better know slalom or my coach would beat me

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From what car and driver said, if I am remembering correctly.

The EVO feels faster, more like a rally car.

Sti is better for a daily driver/ weekend track car.

You wouldn't be disappointed in either. If you want a car that turns in quicker and has more feel than the EVO, if you want something a little more useable on a day to day basis then get the STi. IMO I would get the sti...
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They are sooo similar in most ways, the STI is an AMAZING car tho...I have been 125 in that car and truthfully, it felt as if we were going 65! LOL, not because it seemed by the speed we were going slow, but by how fast we got there, from a 65 roll we made it to 120 in like 5 seconds...

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They are sooo similar in most ways, the STI is an AMAZING car tho...I have been 125 in that car and truthfully, it felt as if we were going 65! LOL, not because it seemed by the speed we were going slow, but by how fast we got there, from a 65 roll we made it to 120 in like 5 seconds...
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Subaru i belive is the high 4 seconds for 0-60. like 4.9 4.8 something like that. It is a little faster than the EVO...not up to date on the new M 0-60 but should be close.
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If you want to go obscenely fast cross-country with minimal effort and still have a car that is practical family transport, the Evolution is the real deal. Until the WRX STi goes on sale, there's nothing for less than $45,000 that will cover ground as fast on secondary roads. If you want a car that shouts about you and your status in life, the Evolution isn't for you; but if you want a car for speed, then it is. The amazing thing is that it's a Mitsubishi—and even more amazing, it's based on the Lancer, a car that hardly sets our hearts aflutter. It's probably about time the Japanese automaker had an image car, because its current vibe is dowdy and dull. The Evolution should help to change that.
In another article Automobile magazine compared them to knives.

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"The STI is a paring knife. The other, the EVO, is a scalpel. Both are sharp precision instuments that sould be wielded with caution. The paring knife is more useful; you probably pick it up everyday. The scalpel is single-purpose, flimsy, and disposable. But only the scalplel has the power to heal, to cut out illness, to seperate man from the dead parts of himself and thrust him back among the walking, thankful to be alive"
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If you want to go obscenely fast cross-country with minimal effort and still have a car that is practical family transport, the Evolution is the real deal. Until the WRX STi goes on sale, there's nothing for less than $45,000 that will cover ground as fast on secondary roads. If you want a car that shouts about you and your status in life, the Evolution isn't for you; but if you want a car for speed, then it is. The amazing thing is that it's a Mitsubishi—and even more amazing, it's based on the Lancer, a car that hardly sets our hearts aflutter. It's probably about time the Japanese automaker had an image car, because its current vibe is dowdy and dull. The Evolution should help to change that.
In another article Automobile magazine compared them to knives.

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"The STI is a paring knife. The other, the EVO, is a scalpel. Both are sharp precision instuments that sould be wielded with caution. The paring knife is more useful; you probably pick it up everyday. The scalpel is single-purpose, flimsy, and disposable. But only the scalplel has the power to heal, to cut out illness, to seperate man from the dead parts of himself and thrust him back among the walking, thankful to be alive"
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Never read so much horse shite in all my life!

Besides the cheaper WRX with a PPP pack and performance exhaust will out accelerate the EVO VIII

Imagine how quick you could get a modded STi up to (mid 3 seconds ?!?)

Modded WRX = 4.1 seconds 0 - 62 mph

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Originally posted by BLACKBMW+Oct 1 2004, 08:22 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BLACKBMW @ Oct 1 2004, 08:22 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-BMWLotAttendant@Sep 26 2004, 04:44 PM
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If you want to go obscenely fast cross-country with minimal effort and still have a car that is practical family transport, the Evolution is the real deal. Until the WRX STi goes on sale, there's nothing for less than $45,000 that will cover ground as fast on secondary roads. If you want a car that shouts about you and your status in life, the Evolution isn't for you; but if you want a car for speed, then it is. The amazing thing is that it's a Mitsubishi—and even more amazing, it's based on the Lancer, a car that hardly sets our hearts aflutter. It's probably about time the Japanese automaker had an image car, because its current vibe is dowdy and dull. The Evolution should help to change that.
In another article Automobile magazine compared them to knives.

Quote:
"The STI is a paring knife. The other, the EVO, is a scalpel. Both are sharp precision instuments that sould be wielded with caution. The paring knife is more useful; you probably pick it up everyday. The scalpel is single-purpose, flimsy, and disposable. But only the scalplel has the power to heal, to cut out illness, to seperate man from the dead parts of himself and thrust him back among the walking, thankful to be alive"
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Never read so much horse shite in all my life!

Besides the cheaper WRX with a PPP pack and performance exhaust will out accelerate the EVO VIII

Imagine how quick you could get a modded STi up to (mid 3 seconds ?!?)

Modded WRX = 4.1 seconds 0 - 62 mph
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Were talking U.S. spec here

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