CTS-V - BMW Forum

roloson · 02-27-2004, 02:15 PM

I went and looked at the CTS-V today. Its not a bad looking car on the exterior with the Goodyear 18's, the brembo's, 14" capliars etc. The interior left me very cold. Seats were to soft, poor design no wrap around etc.

"They are your grandfathers seats."

I originally wanted to drive it, but the only one they had was on the showroom floor, and after looking a little closer it just wasen't important. They did tell me they only expect to keep one, or at the most two on the lot at any one time. To be honest I expected more. I though this car might compete with with the cars in the M class, but when you see it in person it just does not have the fit or finish that I have with the M. I'm sure it is fast, stops and corners, but GM needs to do more if they really want to capture some of this part of the market. Just didn't do it for me. Not even remotely interested in driving it now.

Furious · 03-01-2004, 01:51 PM

moving to other cars forum

e36_m3_Turbo · 03-01-2004, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by roloson@Feb 27 2004, 02:55 PM
I went and looked at the CTS-V today. Its not a bad looking car on the exterior with the Goodyear 18's, the brembo's, 14" capliars etc. The interior left me very cold. Seats were to soft, poor design no wrap around etc.

"They are your grandfathers seats."

I originally wanted to drive it, but the only one they had was on the showroom floor, and after looking a little closer it just wasen't important. They did tell me they only expect to keep one, or at the most two on the lot at any one time. To be honest I expected more. I though this car might compete with with the cars in the M class, but when you see it in person it just does not have the fit or finish that I have with the M. I'm sure it is fast, stops and corners, but GM needs to do more if they really want to capture some of this part of the market. Just didn't do it for me. Not even remotely interested in driving it now.

In the U.S. The fuckin american image has taken over on car buying, thats why alot of people want one, "becuase its american built, its the best"...ya right

Michael@EuroPersona · 03-06-2004, 02:43 PM

Remember its not a sports car, is a Performance Sedan. Compare it to the new GTO and it might be more clear. one is a sports car, the other is Cadillacs way of trying be the Luxury car company with the most Performance in its class..

kstills45 · 03-07-2004, 05:40 PM

I had to go through the trouble of registering to the forum to reply to this post.

ghead First, to be fair, I own an STS and plan to buy a CTS in June of this year. I've test driven the BMW 3 series and the C class Mercedes, and decided on the CTS.

So color me a Cadillac fan. That said, what are you thinking? The CTS V is by all acounts a phenomenal automobile. It's power, styling and overall performance per dollar are industry leaders, if you throw out cars like the WRX Sti. By most accounts, it will toast an M5, and probably edge out an M3, even tho the M3 is 500lb lighter.

The styling has alot of love/hate to it. I personally like it, if you don't, that's perfectly understandable. Same goes for the interior, alot of people hate it, I found it different, Kitchy, as Kramer would say.

The dealer will keep one or two on the lot, because they are selling like no ones business. Read the Cadillac boards, people are posting dealers who have more then one to let others know where they might go to get a quicker deal. The same can be said for the base CTS, which has exceeded all sales expectations Cadillac had for it.

And for a second year car to make it to Number one in the JD Power initial quality survey, well that's just darned impressive.

So I come over here to see what the BMW folks think, and what do I read? The seats are too soft, the fit and finish aren't up to European standards, it left me cold, I didn't want to drive it. ???????

Sure, I would hate to get behind the wheel of a 400hp sedan. Especially if the seats were too soft.

Michael@EuroPersona · 03-07-2004, 10:01 PM

Ha Ha, good man, I agree with absolutly all of that..

Personally, I would drive anything for the thrill and just to see how it is.

I love the car, its absolutly beautiful, I might sell european car parts, but this car is awesome.. Put it this way, Its got 4 doors, a Manual Transmission, and 400HP, I would put my money on it over the M3, M5, Audi S4, and the MAYBE even the RS6!! who knows.. its possible... I just bought a new S4, and I absolutly love the CTS-V!! chevy lover at heart.. haha

What motor is it? the LS2? I love GM!!

S54-MRoadster · 03-09-2004, 12:59 AM

The CTS-V won't even come close in any acceleration test up to 150mph. Yes it will beat the M3 in higher speeds. The CTS-V is not even in the same breath as an M5. I'm just not a big fan of any caddy. Putting a Z06 motor in a caddy put bigger brakes and change the front grill. That takes alot of brains. Atleast come up with a different motor instead of using a Corvette motor, thats a cheap way of doing it. Using a motor that already exists.

kstills45 · 03-09-2004, 09:42 AM

Hoo boy.

The ZO6 Corvette motor makes about 400hp, with 395 lb/ft of torque @ 4500rpm, give or take a few rpm. It will average 26mph on the highway, 18-21 in mixed driving, depending on how heavy your foot is. It fits into the engine compartment of the CTS darn near perfectly, and with the suspension mods and the tranny mods, turns an already well designed luxury sedan into a high performance luxury sedan for only 50k.

I fail to see why GM should design a brand new engine when what they have is already a world leader in technology. New does not necessarily equal better, as evidenced by the new 745 design, and the I-drive introduced by BMW.

I would post the link if I knew how, but you can click on www.caranddriver.com for a review of the CTS-V vs. the M3 and the M5. You can draw your own conclusions, but the bottom line is that Cadillac has achieved world class status with this vehicle out of the box. Not that it's equal in all respects, but it's better in some areas, equal in others and needs work to catch up in the rest. In other words, world class.

Interestingly enough, according to C and D, it out pulls the M3, but not the M5. Go figure.

Further investigation of the car would reveal that there are significant differences in GM's 0-60 times and what's been measured on the production models. The cause of the discrepency is undoubtedly the result of the problems the car is having with wheel hop under hard acceleration. Anecdotal evidence, and the opinion of those with more knowledge than I, would suggest that a change from the run flats that come with the car to another type of tire will solve this problem. If it does, and stay tuned :wink , the CTS-V will beat both cars in acceleration and lap times.

I'm in no way bashing BMW. I've driven the 325, and it was so sweet I was licking my fingers when I was done. The old 740 was in my opinion, one of the all time classic body styles for any age of vehicle. I doubt anyone who has had the pleasure of driving a BMW would dismiss it as a second class auto.

But let's give credit where credit is due. GM,( and of all their brands Cadillac ! ) has come up with a car that doesn't have to make excuses to any european brand. I for one am extremely happy to see that happen.

eloff19 · 03-20-2004, 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by kstills45@Mar 9 2004, 01:22 PM
It will average 26mph on the highway, 18-21 in mixed driving, depending on how heavy your foot is.

and that'll beat an M?

Spetsnaz Op · 03-21-2004, 12:44 AM

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Originally posted by Michael@EuroPersona@Mar 6 2004, 03:23 PM
Remember its not a sports car, is a Performance Sedan. Compare it to the new GTO and it might be more clear. one is a sports car, the other is Cadillacs way of trying be the Luxury car company with the most Performance in its class..

some would argue that the M3 is not a sports car either