M3 Vs Cobra

[Chant]

Originally posted by MastaFred@Mar 27 2005, 10:17 PM
Yes the FORD might be faster 1/4 mile but then you have to remember american cars are made for drag as much as i love Bmws i have to say americans have it under control when it comes to drag. tech wise american cars are bs handling they suck luxury they suck but no matter what any one says they have it locked when it comes to drag so lets give them that one thing i would love to see ford make a 3.2 liter engine that can push 333 hp

[snapback]319707[/snapback]

Ford Lightnings push over 300. my buddy has one that is pushing 400 at the rear. dynoed it and all. It is a sick little monkey.
I also wouldn't say that they suck completely when it comes to tech. The Ford Focus WRC Rally car is one of the top runners this year and was in the top 3 last year. You would be surprised what one of those little buggers can do in Rally. If you get a chance you outta check out speed channel on sundays and look for the WRC telecast. I used to drive rally and i have seen some great times for focuses. in fact the airforce focus rally team has always been in the top performers here in the states. That engine is smaller than a 3.2L and pushes close to 300. I'm personally not a big fan of the focus but i gotta give it some props in the rally circuit.

Chant

[LongHairedHippy]

However, you must remember that the lightning is a V-8 rather than a straight 6. And the focus rally car can't really be compared, seeing as it is a race car that does not have to comply to emissions standards . Plus, you can abuse an engine as much as you want, since you can change it or tear it down between each stage. On a street car, you must provide reliability as well as meet federal standards.

that said, I'm going to agree with the general consensus above and say that in a drag race, the mustang would have the edge. As for a road course, my money would be on the M3. I have taken a hot lap of Barber motorsports park in a SVT Cobra R and an M3, and the M3 was far quicker around the turns, though there was nothing quite like that V-8 when heading down the straight.

[Chant]

Originally posted by LongHairedHippy@Mar 28 2005, 09:16 AM
However, you must remember that the lightning is a V-8 rather than a straight 6. And the focus rally car can't really be compared, seeing as it is a race car that does not have to comply to emissions standards . Plus, you can abuse an engine as much as you want, since you can change it or tear it down between each stage. On a street car, you must provide reliability as well as meet federal standards.

that said, I'm going to agree with the general consensus above and say that in a drag race, the mustang would have the edge. As for a road course, my money would be on the M3. I have taken a hot lap of Barber motorsports park in a SVT Cobra R and an M3, and the M3 was far quicker around the turns, though there was nothing quite like that V-8 when heading down the straight.

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Yes you are correct that a rally car can't really be compared with a street car. I was just trying to point out that tech wise ford can do some stuff. again i am not a fan of ford. Also you really can't abuse your engine because once you hit service you only have 20 minutes to repair any problems from the body to the engine, steering to clutch issues etc. ok enough on that, BMWs rule that's all i have to say LOL



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[bitchincamaro]

Well from experience (last night) I can tell you that a cobra completely burned my 98 M3. We were going about 75 on the highway, and this guy spun his tires and fish-tailed at 75mph, and left me in the dust.

He may have had this thing suped-up, but regardless...wasted me. It was a pretty new Cobra...

[04192080]

what about the 2006 Shelby Cobra GT500 (top line mustang)

[04192080]

Hey "RedlinedRU", you would "imagine" a V8 M3 would have 600-700 hp? ahahahaahaaa. Try only 400hp, it will be available late '06. Still would'nt have a chance against a 2006 Shelby Cobra GT500 or SVT Cobra R. The style of a souped up Stang is hands down meaner looking not to mention superior performance. German cars are great, M3 is an incredible piece of machinery but c'mon, the only chance an M3 would have is with low end model Mustang thats it. The name Shelby even tingles your M3 loving spines. Luxary aint shit. I'd rather have brute power than fagity ass "luxury" braging rights.

[LongHairedHippy]

.....what about it? besides, this is a BMW forum - no need to launch into pages of discussion about a yet-to-be-released Ford.

[LongHairedHippy]

Originally posted by 4192080@Mar 28 2005, 04:08 PM
Hey "RedlinedRU", you would "imagine" a V8 M3 would have 600-700 hp? ahahahaahaaa. Try only 400hp, it will be available late '06. Still would'nt have a chance against a 2006 Shelby Cobra GT500 or SVT Cobra R. The style of a souped up Stang is hands down meaner looking not to mention superior performance. German cars are great, M3 is an incredible piece of machinery but c'mon, the only chance an M3 would have is with low end model Mustang thats it. The name Shelby even tingles your M3 loving spines. Luxary aint shit. I'd rather have brute power than fagity ass "luxury" braging rights.

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For starters - the only reason the word "shelby" makes my spine tingle is because I think of the good old days when not every NASCAR loving, beer-guzzling redneck could own one. So what if the '06 model M3 has "only" 400hp? The bottom line is, it isn't a Ford. And I don't know why you think the SVT Cobra R is so great - I've taken a ride in one, and wasn't terribly impressed. Looks are in the eye of the beholder, and I personally don't care too much for any modern mustang. And I will concede that a suped-up mustang will likely beat an M3 in a drag race. The issue with that is that in the real world, there are turns. And once you hit the turns, the mustang owner will get very lonely, really fast, and wish he had more to read than the "M" logo on the back of the M3.

[04192080]

Did I mention the Mustang GTR. Even though it's a concept you can purchase the complete kit to modify a Mustang GT. Take a look
http://www.brothersperformance.com/n...er/MustangGTR/

[LongHairedHippy]

The GTR is a race car. That means, it isn't street legal, and is probably more expensive than an M3. Therefore, you really can't compare it.

[04192080]

aahahaahaha, I forgot, there's also Saleen.
http://www.saleen.com/2005_s281.htm
Turns? High performance Mustangs can handle turns,
M3 ahahaaha

[04192080]

"LongHairedHippy" don't let me ruin your day, ahahaahahaha
and you can get a GTR kit legally.

[04192080]

Saleen models offers performance that can handle "turns"

[04192080]

alright I'll leave, ahahaaahaha, M3 vs. Cobra ahahaahaah, make me laugh.

[The Deuce]

2 things.

1. a brand new 2004 Cobra could be bought for about 32k twoard the end of last year. What's the sticker on an m3? 50k?

2. The Cobra's were mean for the open track, not drag racing. Solo II is too tight for a car like that, think Laguna Seca or Watkins Glen, and you get the idea.

It's always 'run what ya brung' and so what if Ford decided to supercharge some of their cars? MBZ does it with all the AMG cars, but I never see them discussed here.

As to the EVO 8 or STI being just as fast. :

I believe that was 'sport compact' mag article, and it doesn't take a genuis to launch an awd car. Here's what you do. Rev to 7k, sidestep the clutch, and pray. If you don't blow the trans, you lauch awesome.

Try cutting a 2.0 60 foot time with a 400 ft/lbs car on street tires. It takes some skill. I've seen it, and man its awesome.

The Cobra is a brute, and it's supposed to be. the new M5 would be too much to handle for some people with a stick, that's why it's got the idiot friendly SMG in it now.