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#1 (permalink) Old 01-25-2006, 12:36 PM
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Project: Loud Red!

On May 4th, '05 I took delivery of an 05 ZCP M3 in OEM condition w/the intent of turning it into a class leading contender.

And thus began our journey into exhilaration and .... despair.

Fasten your seatbelts, it's gonna be a wiiild ride.

Mods list in no particular order, as of four months ago.

Keep in mind that this is an ongoing project. Will update later today. And as the "Project" matures.

MODS DONE
Interior Mods:
Build & install rear seat area floor cover (i will have it redone, not 100% satisfied). By BlueJay Upholstery, Grants Pass.
ICELink. By ProAudio, Medford.
6 each, 12 volt power adapters & AC power converter. By ProAudio, Medford. W/a Ronin assist.
Roof center camera mount. Made by Ronin. Installed by ProAudio, Medford.
Install 2 Camcorder boxes (modded by Ronin) in rear trunk. By ProAudio, Medford.
Relocate amplifier. By Ronin.
Build & install ChaseCam SS1000 multiplexer mounts. By Ronin (removed by ronin, will use software instead).
Autometer Gauge kit; Voltmeter, Boost & AFR. By Autohaus, Beaverton.
GSP P7 pedal kit (w/o throttle pedal cover plate). By Johns Auto, Medford.
Schroth Rally4 harnesses. By Johns Auto, Medford
Remove; Rear seat assemblies and carpeting. Trunk toolkit, Mobility Kit and carpeting. Child seat hardware. By Johns Auto, Medford.
Remove rear seat mounts. By Blue Jay Upholstery, Grants Pass.
Remove alarm box. By Ronin.

Exterior Mods:
Black kidney grilles. By Autohaus, Beaverton.
Black side gills. By Johns Auto, Medford.
OEM grids for bumper air dam painted Imola Red. Thru Autohaus, Beaverton.
Imola Red front reflectors. By Johns Auto, Medford.
Dinan wheels (thru Rasmussen, Portland), 2 sets color matched. By Skips WheelWerks, Beaverton.
Custom machined wheel caps. By Jeff Anderson from Grants Pass.
Ronin decal wheel cap inserts. Designed by Ronin. Done by Commercial Sign & Design, Phoenix.
ACS rear spoiler. Thru Rasmussen BMW, Portland.
8mil Clear Bra; fully wrapped, hood, front bumper, both fenders, both rocker panels and rear fender mud guards and gas fill door guard plus head-light and fog-light shields. By Clear Bra of Oregon, Hillsboro.
Install G2X & Display. By Ronin.

Engine & Performance Related Mods:
Rotrex C38-71 centrifugal supercharger with Intercooler & Oil Cooler from AA. Numbered 038!!! By Autohaus, Beaverton, Oregon.
AA Water/Alcohol injection (need to redo, NOT secure). And AA software. By Autohaus, Beaverton.
Brembo GT380 4 piston fronts & GT345 4 piston rear brakes with slotted rotors. SS Lines & Motul 600. By Autohaus, Beaverton.
TC Kline Pro Racing Smart Design D/A coilovers (need to replace front shocks). Including 500lb springs front & 600lb springs rear & monoball rear mounts. By Autohaus, Beaverton.
TC Kline spherical shock mount bushings. By Autohaus, Beaverton.
TCK Delrin front bushings. By Autohaus, Beaverton.
TCK camber/caster plates. By Autohaus, Beaverton.
TCK camber adjustable rear control arms. By Autohaus, Beaverton.
Ground Control front sway bar. By Autohaus, Beaverton.
Supersprint headers (black ceramic coated), section 1 w/cats, section 2 w/resonators, race muffler (ceramic coat 80mm tips, black). By Autohaus, Beaverton.
Odyssey PC 925MJT; By Autohaus, Beaverton.
Dyno (need to redo). By Authohaus, Beaverton.
Align, corner weigh & balance. By Alignment Specialties (never again, need to redo, ARGH!) thru Autohaus, Beaverton.

MODS PENDING:
Remove; Foglights? Visors?
Install Foglight grids (Imola Red painting done thru Autohaus, Beaverton).
TMS front & rear subframe reinforcement plates.
UUC LTW flywheel & clutch assemblies.
Install on/off switches to power 12 volt power adapters.
TCK Delrin rear bushings.
Imola Red stripes on muffler tips.
Install trim on alarm box hole.
Build custom front plate frame/mount?
Scribe camber plates. And shocks?
Corner weigh & balance.
Dyno.
Re-flash ECU for a 7600 rpm redline.
Hotwire PMC-2X
Wire G2X Tachometer lead and program unit.

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Sounds like a great car... I'll have to skim through the mods list yet again to catch it all...

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Ohhh my god... Dude... If you dont post pictures... I will ban you.<snip>
LOL!

I'm still trying to figure out the user interface. If you can wait a while i'll have some updated pics within a week or so. Then more pics when the car's "officially" done.

If you want some lousy pics today .... I can get a few up sometime tonight (lord willing).

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hope to see the end result of the project. i see your still using AA supercharger, why? I read your other post and i see the dilemma your having, but i hope the supercharger has nothing to do with it. It was all based on customer service as from what i read. Why not use another supercharger?

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hope to see the end result of the project.
It's a work in progress. Update coming shortly.

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i see your still using AA supercharger, why?
TTBOMK, my choices are:
I) yank it & trash it (which is very tempting simply to avoid using a product sold by liars & cheats)
II) buy a Dinan system which would be an additional $20K (or so)
III) buy a custom made system (vortech? probably $20K additional)
IV) or for an additional $5K (or so) fix the POS kit I have now.

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<snip>but i hope the supercharger has nothing to do with it.
There is absolutely NO doubt that the probs are DIRECTLY related to the SC.

We have learned a great deal since I began posting. Some of what we learned would probably never become common knowledge if I/someone hadn't posted concerns/complaints.

Examples:
1) The kit causes "slow shifting." (so i buy the fastest shifting vehicle of it's kind only to have it slowed down? Duh!) There is NO fix and will never be one w/the AA kit as designed. AA knew this when they built the kit but kept this knowledge well hidden.
2) The kit causes engine overheating under hard driving conditions. And appears to be useless for my stated purpose ( briefly; track days). AA knew this but actively deceived me into believing otherwise.
3) AA issued a software update that caused idle hunting and stalling. Serious Flaws! If AA didn't know .... they should have known and due to AA's failures to notify us when we chatted w/em (over and over agin) I wasted thousands of dollars, lost time and tracks days (never to be regained) and suffered extreme frustration/grief. All unnecessarily!
4) 05 SMG (& presumably manual M3s) require recently developed software reflashing. If AA didn't know .... they should have known and due to AA's failures to notify us when we chatted w/em (over and over again) I wasted thousands of dollars, lost time and tracks days (never to be regained) and suffered extreme frustration/grief. All unnecessarily! BTW, AA has refused to reflash my ECU under warranty. So what do I do now?
5) The Level 1 kit, As Delivered, can only be expected to produce 350RWHP according to AA's unofficial rep on the Internet and spokesperson JMWeb. Not the 360RWHP that AA still claim.
6) The Level 1 kit, As Delivered, is incomplete due to the mods required to prevent engine overheating.
7) The Level 1 kit is not "OEM like." Nor is it like driving an M3 w/a "big V8." It will always shift slower than an OEM SMG and will never be as smooth (cite; JMWeb).

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It was all based on customer service as from what i read.<snip>
Well now, that's a contender for UNDERSTATEMENT of the year! It's going to be hard to beat that one in 2006.

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Don't take offense at my asking, but why did you bite at an s/c system that was only going to give you 350 hp? If you were going to drop in a blower and spend all that money, why not make it a really big blower? I don't know what the rwhp figure is for a stock M3, but the crank figure is only 17 hp lower than the post-s/c system!



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Don't take offense at my asking, but why did you bite at an s/c system that was only going to give you 350 hp?
No prob at all. I'm not offended even by strongly worded disagreement.

When I first decided on the AA kit, Joseph Ghattas (who's no longer w/AA) promised me 380RWHP. Once we installed the kit. AA changed their claim to 360RWHP.

When we pointed out that my car only dynoed @345RWHP AA tried to blame the Dyno operators.

When we pointed out that the operators were of impeccable repute, AA claimed that we needed to install a full (cat back) high flow exhaust system although it's NOT ever been listed as "required" by AA.

By this time we had learned what AA's SOPs are so we saved the best for last .... and then we nailed them w/the fact that we had a FULL Supersprint race system. Plus we'd ceramic coated the headers. AA then blamed the installers. And round and round we go.

Isn't this beginning to sound like a common theme when AA are questioned? It'd be funnny if it wasn't so damned tragic.

Our dreams born within AA's sales personnel's fecund imaginations wither away and turn into nightmares when exposed to the reality that AA deliver. Sad!

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If you were going to drop in a blower and spend all that money, why not make it a really big blower?
Can you spell: KABOOM! I'm kinda/sorta serious. I don't know of any such item for my car.

Plus: I needed extra HP to keep up w/the hot cars in the Instructor class at PIR (and elsewhere). I didn't need more HP or want more HP for any other reason. Of course, all of this was explained in detail to AA prior to the sale.

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I don't know what the rwhp figure is for a stock M3
App 280RWHP.

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but the crank figure is only 17 hp lower than the post-s/c system!
Hmmm, am I missing something here? You're the second person to fail to see the capitalized acronyms Ie; RWHP.

Mindboggling! How did I err?

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It's a work in progress. Update coming shortly.


TTBOMK, my choices are:
I) yank it & trash it (which is very tempting simply to avoid using a product sold by liars & cheats)
II) buy a Dinan system which would be an additional $20K (or so)
III) buy a custom made system (vortech? probably $20K additional)
IV) or for an additional $5K (or so) fix the POS kit I have now.


There is absolutely NO doubt that the probs are DIRECTLY related to the SC.

We have learned a great deal since I began posting. Some of what we learned would probably never become common knowledge if I/someone hadn't posted concerns/complaints.

Examples:
1) The kit causes "slow shifting." (so i buy the fastest shifting vehicle of it's kind only to have it slowed down? Duh!) There is NO fix and will never be one w/the AA kit as designed. AA knew this when they built the kit but kept this knowledge well hidden.
2) The kit causes engine overheating under hard driving conditions. And appears to be useless for my stated purpose ( briefly; track days). AA knew this but actively deceived me into believing otherwise.
3) AA issued a software update that caused idle hunting and stalling. Serious Flaws! If AA didn't know .... they should have known and due to AA's failures to notify us when we chatted w/em (over and over agin) I wasted thousands of dollars, lost time and tracks days (never to be regained) and suffered extreme frustration/grief. All unnecessarily!
4) 05 SMG (& presumably manual M3s) require recently developed software reflashing. If AA didn't know .... they should have known and due to AA's failures to notify us when we chatted w/em (over and over again) I wasted thousands of dollars, lost time and tracks days (never to be regained) and suffered extreme frustration/grief. All unnecessarily! BTW, AA has refused to reflash my ECU under warranty. So what do I do now?
5) The Level 1 kit, As Delivered, can only be expected to produce 350RWHP according to AA's unofficial rep on the Internet and spokesperson JMWeb. Not the 360RWHP that AA still claim.
6) The Level 1 kit, As Delivered, is incomplete due to the mods required to prevent engine overheating.
7) The Level 1 kit is not "OEM like." Nor is it like driving an M3 w/a "big V8." It will always shift slower than an OEM SMG and will never be as smooth (cite; JMWeb).


Well now, that's a contender for UNDERSTATEMENT of the year! It's going to be hard to beat that one in 2006.

Peace,

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oh, well what i meant was that you did have shitty customer service, and i thought it was more involved with that, but they do have a flaw in there s/c.
And to think of it, with all the new electronics that the e46 m3's are comming out with , im suprised that they didnt have a reflash for the ecu, or some type of testing to prove the claimed gains on stock exhaust. Its hard to see 360whp which i guess is about 400 crank hp +/- 10 hp beeing achieved on stock exhaust.
I think the ecu is trying to over compensate the addons of the blower and probably going in safe limp mode?

How much weight are you trying to lose on the car, is there a goal to set , so you can get a better hp/weight ratio? Maybe 350 whp could be good with a proper weight reduction.
Hopefully with all that weight gone i would like to see the final weight without the aftermarket , and see how much weight the with the aftermarket stuff added.

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oh, well what i meant was that you did have shitty customer service, and i thought it was more involved with that, but they do have a flaw in there s/c.
Oh, ok .... I get it. I assumed from your post that you'd read my thread "Active Autowerks Supercharger:... Sorry!

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<snip>im suprised that they didnt have a reflash for the ecu
They do reflash the ECU. And try to charge customers for the warranty reflashes.

Two probs (if we ignore the unjustified ettempts to charge us for warranty reflashing):
1) BMW keep updating/changing their software placing AA in a bad position.
2) AA have made serious errors in the past (proven errors, ergo: undisputed by AA to this day) and only recently offered a reflash for 05 ZCP M3s.

IMHO, taking into consideration BMW's abhorrence of the aftermarket AA will always be behind the 8-Ball. And sicne AA tries to pass it on to the customer .... it's the end user who shall suffer for AA"s failures.

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or some type of testing to prove the claimed gains on stock exhaust.
AA posted Dyno runs. Fact is that a skilled operator can make a dyno show just about anything. AA and I/we went round and roound on this one. To no avail. If oyu prove AA wrong .... what are you going to do about it?

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Its hard to see 360whp
AA's JMWeb posted that the realistic number is actually 350RWHP.

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which i guess is about 400 crank hp +/- 10 hp beeing achieved on stock exhaust.
360RWHP = 440CHP on our cars.

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I think the ecu is trying to over compensate the addons of the blower and probably going in safe limp mode?
Your guess is similar to mine. But neither of us are experts.

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How much weight are you trying to lose on the car, is there a goal to set
No specific goal. As mcuh as practical given my purposes. For example one could yank the excess battery cabling but I'd rather not. Or we could add LTW Recaros but they would be uncomfortable.

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so you can get a better hp/weight ratio?
We're probably at the limit right now w/o reducing the vehicle's utility to an unacceptable level.

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Maybe 350 whp could be good with a proper weight reduction.
Using my track experience vs other cars to develop a rule of thumb I felt that an additional 80RWHP over OEM would be enough to stay (or pass) w/the Porsches (etc) on the straights. So between 350 and 360RWHP would have sufficed.

I was willing ot compromise w/AA but since they refuse to honor the warranties .... (not to mention how poorly they've treated me on the Net) I shall point to every germane flaw, lie, etc.

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Hopefully with all that weight gone i would like to see the final weight without the aftermarket , and see how much weight the with the aftermarket stuff added.
I shall surely report back (lord willing).

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If your car is a SMG 2 i presume, isnt there some type of standalone management for the SMG software? There might be one, but i cant imagine the cost of one, so i guess we can leave that out.
Becuase if this is the case with AA, then im pretty shure there not the only ones behind the powercurve out there, becuase of BMW's updates to softwares.
I think AA rushed there product to fast to get something out on the market without valid gains or corrective issues.
Hopefully other companies will look at this as a warning and a lesson, about how finicky these new cars have been when it comes to F/I.

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