Which Mod First To My M3!

[bmwforumerm3]

I drive a 1997 m3.

Im debating between


CAI
Chip
UUC EVO3......



I can not decide.

Help with people that have experiance.

Pros to UUC evo3: All feel it everyday, not just when im pushing it
Cons to UUC evo3: No power increase at all.

Pros to CAI: all here it, and get 5-7hp lil more pep.
cons: I here it makes the OBD11 more of a bitch to work with sending out codes right and left

Pros to Chip:be able to go faster than 142 which I cut off at last weekend.
Get some more Rpm's
Cons: my car wont be stock anymore



Lets get some comments on this.

IM STUCK!

Wow my lifes soo soo hard.

NOT


Keep in mind, im not single the big 1 year is rolling around aka no money for exhuast.



Help a bro out all you ///M drivers or M enthu's

[CiscoKid]

chip... cheapest power for money

[TMac325is]

the UUC will give you a good sound i suppose

[bmwforumerm3]

Originally posted by TMac325is@Mar 12 2005, 05:39 PM
the UUC will give you a good sound i suppose

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Ummm I dunno if you read it, but i said UUC evo3 short shift. Not exhuast.


Thanks for comment though

[3serbmdubya]

get chip then short shifta then cai then exhaust then lower it blah blah blah

[NeverLeaned]

My advice as always with OBDII BMW is to safe the software for last. You can grab a Shark for $350, or you can spend another $50 (on up of course) to get custom software tuned for your cars exact modifications.

I guess it all really depends on how far your THINK you may be going with your modifications, custom tuning probably will do you little good if your plans are along the lines of CAI, Pulleys and exhaust.... but the second you consider M50/S50 manifold I would suggest holding off on software tuning til your mod list is complete

Good luck!

[97alpineM3]

The Evo shifter is way overrated.... atleast by my standards... Rogue engineering makes better...

As for either the chip or a cai... I'd go with the cai... I've never seen a intake manage to distrupt the obd-II software... including inducing codes.

A good cai is Conforti.

A good software upgrade... is Conforti.

Good Luck,

Les

[Chant]

Originally posted by NeverLeaned@Mar 13 2005, 02:23 AM
My advice as always with OBDII BMW is to safe the software for last. You can grab a Shark for $350, or you can spend another $50 (on up of course) to get custom software tuned for your cars exact modifications.

I guess it all really depends on how far your THINK you may be going with your modifications, custom tuning probably will do you little good if your plans are along the lines of CAI, Pulleys and exhaust.... but the second you consider M50/S50 manifold I would suggest holding off on software tuning til your mod list is complete

Good luck!

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i would have to agree with the above, you need to decide what you want to do in the end before getting any kind of software for tuning. In fact this is what i do when ever i mod any car for performance. I have modded hondas and mitsubishis for racing as well as show. you should sit down and think about what you want to do with your M3. then make a list of what you would like to have on the car. then do some research on the parts that you want and write down the prices. then from there you can decide what to buy and when. This will also cut down on the problem of buying a part and then finding another part that is better or the one you really wanted, cause then you buy the other one and you are stuck with a garage full extra parts that you could use to build another M3
So there you have it. go through those steps first and ask questions based on what you come up with. then do some homework before jumping in and buying. It might take a little more time before you get all the stuff you want but in the end you will be happier knowing that you got what you wanted and didn't spend extra money where you didn't have to.

Hope this helps.

Chant

[97alpineM3]

I absolutely agree with parts research... its an often over looked process which must be done IMO. Good point.. thanks for inputing that... good stuff.

Les

[bmwforumerm3]

Thanks for all your great comments guys.


Well as far as doing hw and finding out prices....I prolly have a half binder full of prices, parts and all sorts of other stuff. Ive done all my hw on all the parts. Such as alpina, dinan, JC, AA, AC. Ive looked into everything.

Im thinking my first mods are gonna be dinan cold air intake, and the UUC evo 3.

Reasons im wanting (havent made up mind yet) these 2 items.


Dinan has a great look and longer pipe for a great sound at those high rpm's.

UUC all feel it everyday you know?


Im just not sure lol.

If you guys go to my site you'll see some pics of my already common probs that I just had to dump money into.

So im not made of money.


As far as what I wanna do with the car.


All just read you off a list of what I AM gonna do. Not just hoping or w/e, its gonna happen.Its just prolly gonna take me lil more than 6 months to do.


Pulleys
*CAI (dinan) maybe
*Chip
AA 3gen exhuast
*UUC evo3 short shift
Xbrace (already ordered)
eventually the M50 mani when i learn more about it.

thats about it, and then if im feeling im not getting enough still all look into dinans supercharger, but prolly not.



Need some serious thoughts on this.

Im putting stars on what Im serious about getting.


Thoughts....

[NeverLeaned]

Just so you know your car is not "chipped" It will require a software reprogram. If you had a OBDI ride I would say go ahead and buy a chip now for the biggest gain for the $..... you could always resell your chip to offset your loss if you needed custom tuning. The software reprogram is not something you can resell... it will only work on your car.

Thoughts?
Ya, I like the Dinan style CAI because it moves your intake out of a hot engine compartment vs. the conforti style intakes.

I have the cosmos Dinan Style CAI and absolutely love it.... but Im one of those guys that has a hard time justifying paying $300-$400 for a piece of tubing and a cone filter.
http://cosmosracing.com/

Pulleys: There seems to be a consensus on either going with UUCs if you don't want underdrive the alternator or Turners if you want to underdrive the alternator.

A lot of M3 guys go w/ the crank pullies which will underdrive all accessories.... there is a measure of risk involved if your thinking of going lightweight flywheel in the future.

Software: There are really only two choices for our Cars,

the conforti Shark (which is a generic program tuned for CAI & Exhaust..... and I believe there is a version that advances spark timing if your willing to run 93 all the time)

Custom tuning: AA will tune to suit your modifications. You'll have to ship them your ECU for the program. They charge about $50 more for tuning that includes the M50 mani (which is well worth it IMHO) The price goes up as you get into cams, EURO HFM, etc etc.

You can also go with custom Dyno tuning, which your car sits on a dyno all day and a programer tunes software exactly to your car.

[bmwforumerm3]

[quote=NeverLeaned,Mar 13 2005, 04:55 PM]
Just so you know your car is not "chipped" It will require a software reprogram. If you had a OBDI ride I would say go ahead and buy a chip now for the biggest gain for the $..... you could always resell your chip to offset your loss if you needed custom tuning. The software reprogram is not something you can resell... it will only work on your car.

Well Im not sure where you got the idea that Ive chipped my car already.

But ya I agree with you on the CAI and the chip. Im going to dyno day at edge motors on the 26th. And im gonna prolly work with the chip issue then. Not gonna buy it yet though. So right now im gonna get all my bolt ons and then do a custom tunning. For my AA 3gen , dinan CAI, and yes w.e chip i do decided to buy.

Thanks for your awsome comments though

[Chant]

Originally posted by NeverLeaned@Mar 13 2005, 05:55 PM
Custom tuning: AA will tune to suit your modifications. You'll have to ship them your ECU for the program. They charge about $50 more for tuning that includes the M50 mani (which is well worth it IMHO) The price goes up as you get into cams, EURO HFM, etc etc.

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check this site out for more info on the M50 manifold:

http://www.understeer.com/onlinestore-engine.shtml

it's down toward the bottom, this is what i am gonna get. They also have some different types of pulleys etc. pretty good site and decent prices for the most part.

Chant

[bmwforumerm3]

Originally posted by Chant+Mar 14 2005, 12:24 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Chant @ Mar 14 2005, 12:24 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-NeverLeaned@Mar 13 2005, 05:55 PM
Custom tuning: AA will tune to suit your modifications.* You'll have to ship them your ECU for the program.* They charge about $50 more for tuning that includes the M50 mani (which is well worth it IMHO)* The price goes up as you get into cams, EURO HFM, etc etc.

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check this site out for more info on the M50 manifold:

http://www.understeer.com/onlinestore-engine.shtml

it's down toward the bottom, this is what i am gonna get. They also have some different types of pulleys etc. pretty good site and decent prices for the most part.

Chant

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thanks Chant!


This is exactly what ive been looking for. First of all is there a DIY for this part. Any hp and trq dyno chart gains?

Im intrested!!!!!!! does this effect emmisions or smog?

I cant fail smog

[Chant]

Originally posted by bmwforumerm3+Mar 14 2005, 12:33 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bmwforumerm3 @ Mar 14 2005, 12:33 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

check this site out for more info on the M50 manifold:

http://www.understeer.com/onlinestore-engine.shtml

it's down toward the bottom, this is what i am gonna get. They also have some different types of pulleys etc. pretty good site and decent prices for the most part.

Chant

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thanks Chant!


This is exactly what ive been looking for. First of all is there a DIY for this part. Any hp and trq dyno chart gains?

Im intrested!!!!!!! does this effect emmisions or smog?

I cant fail smog

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This is a DIY kit and should be pretty straight forward. It's a bolt on and you shouldn't fail emissions or smog. that as far as i know is based more on your exhaust, could be wrong though. I have a buddy that get's all my modded cars inspected so i don't worry that much bout it. LOL I know i read some dyno info on it but will have to go and look for the link


Chant