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#1 (permalink) Old 01-06-2005, 12:40 AM
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Can someone help me on this? yes i know it is a rwd drive car but i have been getting alot of opinions on this. Dealers say it isnt as bad as i think however, they are paid to say such things like that. Friends and family dont want me to look into it but I am looking to get a 2003-04 bmw m3 and it will pretty much be my daily driver. While reading up on the smg i heard there is a winter mode but i was wondering how that affects the driving? I know many of you have M3's and im wondering who drives them in the winter normally and for you who do, what have you done to make your ride safer? Snow tires, etc. Any help is appreciated. Thank You.
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well first of all ASC on BMW is amazing and will help you greatly in snow. NO CHAINS! Just get some winter tires with mounted studded tires and you should be just fine. My dad has an 03' M3 convertable and we just bought a house in Tahoe, CA where it snows. We took it up there once with snow and it was just fine.

BTW others on here will give much better info but that is what my take is on the matter

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My opinion is to keep a beater car for winter use.

A good set of winter snow tires on a second set of rims will be a big improvement over the regular tires, but that just changes your winter handling from horrible to bad.

I would not use studded snows unless I was in an extreme winter enviornment where the roads are covered with snow more frequently that they are bare. Have you ever driven with studded snows? I have. Think about it, the dry road contact between your car and the road becomes greatly comprimised by the interferance of the metal studs. The metal studs bite into snow and ice, but they tend to slide on cold hard asphalt.

Most of my cars have been RWD, so there was nothing new to me the first time I got caught in an unexpected snowstorm of 1" with my M5. Only my last car, which I've kept as a winter beater has been FWD. I was amazed how little traction the car had. Wide tires and big power do not go together with traction in snow.

Besides, don't you care about the condition of your paint. Snow on the roads means sand is put down. The vehicle in front of you kicks up this sand and the front of your car gets a few more stone chips.

Can we get some more feedback from people who have actually driven their M cars in snow?
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Thank you both for the input. I guess since i live in NY the studded tired wouldnt be the best thing for me. Yes i care about the paint of my car very much but my x-type will be up from its lease soon and the x5 i will be giving to a family member to drive. Therefore i will not have any car. Im really trying not to buy a beater car and just have 1 car that i can invent my money into for now. the cars that i included in my search was m3, 6 series, and audi s4. Figuring that the s4 was awd its the best bet but it doesnt have the same appeal as the bmw cars. if anyone else has an opinion on the snow driving please respond.
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As you surmise, the Audi would be the best all around car because of the AWD and as you say it just isn't the same as a BMW.

Give consideration to the 6 series though. The M3 obviously is a high performance sports car as opposed to the all around nature of the 6 series. With snow tires I would think the 6 would be reasonable in snow. Another problem/consideration against the M3 is road height. We just had several inches of snow yesterday. Driving home I remembered this post as I plowed through snow that was higher than the front spoiler of my M5. As the plows drive around doing their job, at each street they pass they created a berm of plowed snow which is slightly higher than the spoiler/bottom of an M car. However, the couple extra inches of road height would probably allow the 6 series to make it without scraping the front spoiler.

One last consideration. How about a hoped up 325xi? Make your own equivelent to a AWD M3 with extra ground clearance.
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You do not want an M3 in the snow, trust me!!

I'm sure a lot of the problem has to do with the fact I never got snow tires but last winter I literally could not drive in the snow, the car was so bad it was unbelievable. It would slip and slide everywhere, almost killed myself several times.

This one time it snowed like a foot and I needed to get home at night, I made it about half way and finally pulled over and called a friend. The car would slip into the curb, ditch, slide sideways...unreal!

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Originally posted by LagunaSecaBlueM3@Jan 6 2005, 12:40 AM
Can someone help me on this? yes i know it is a rwd drive car but i have been getting alot of opinions on this. Dealers say it isnt as bad as i think however, they are paid to say such things like that. Friends and family dont want me to look into it but I am looking to get a 2003-04 bmw m3 and it will pretty much be my daily driver. While reading up on the smg i heard there is a winter mode but i was wondering how that affects the driving? I know many of you have M3's and im wondering who drives them in the winter normally and for you who do, what have you done to make your ride safer? Snow tires, etc. Any help is appreciated. Thank You.
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Well let's see... small, really light car with no ground clearance and lots of power riding on WIDE summer tires. Oh yeah, and rwd. Good friggin luck.

Seriously though, you can make your car better than 90% of the cars out there if you get a dedicated set of Blizzaks/wheels for the winter. Go at least one inch down on the wheel size and make the tires as narrow as you can stand. You will be able to outhandle a lot of 4wd cars on 'all season' tires.
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Yes....the e46 M3s have DSC. M3s are sports cars....which means.....they are not made for snow. But when driving them SLOWLY...they are ok...not the greatest....but the X3s and X5s drive nicely in snow/ice.
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Just had an ice storm... my opinion is, they suck in snow. If you have a jeep, drive that instead. Keep your M3 in the garage.
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You do not want an M3 in the snow, trust me!!

I'm sure a lot of the problem has to do with the fact I never got snow tires but last winter I literally could not drive in the snow, the car was so bad it was unbelievable. It would slip and slide everywhere, almost killed myself several times.

This one time it snowed like a foot and I needed to get home at night, I made it about half way and finally pulled over and called a friend. The car would slip into the curb, ditch, slide sideways...unreal!
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Yeah i agree, but hey, your Bush/Cheney signature? You are a total ass man.
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Yeah i agree, but hey, your Bush/Cheney signature? You are a total ass man.
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get a beater! i have a 91 toyota 4x4 pickup. great in the snow!!! no slides what so ever! just a beast anyways my bmw gets put in the garage till all the snow is all the road!

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First off

Although CAM540 and I agree on politics (read, "Eat my ass bitchincamaro!"), I have to disagree with him regarding winter driving. Here in the mid west we've had our share of snow and I love my e36. The traction control is great, a few pounds in the trunk and snow tires make it even more awseome.

Much better than say... any ass light camaro - now before you bitch bitchin, I owned a '96 3.8L and I doubt there is any car out there that deserves the 'lead sled' moniker more than it.

An M3 is no X5 (or X3 or any awd vehicle) but isn't that the reason you want to buy it in the first place?

If you live in a fairly urban area, the M3 will get you where you want to to when you want to go. WHen the snow is measured in feet, you shouldn't want to go anywhere anyway.

Have you considered a 330Xi? You give some performance up, but you gain the all weather confidence....?

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Yup...well politics aside since i dont want to get into some rant, my M3 sucks in the snow...

here in Kansas city MO, we just had an ice storm from hell and i couldnt even leave the house. Granted, there are things i could do to help like sandbags and shit like that, but if you have an M3...dont risk wrecking it in bad weather.

Aside from myself, most people who can afford one can afford another car. In my case i am broke all the time, but i got a bitchin car! (not a camaro anymore, PS anyone looking for a 94 camaro?)


PS Bush = retard. What is wrong with you people? Again i must give you all the beating you deserve.
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Yup...well politics aside since i dont want to get into some rant, my M3 sucks in the snow...

here in Kansas city MO, we just had an ice storm from hell and i couldnt even leave the house. Granted, there are things i could do to help like sandbags and shit like that, but if you have an M3...dont risk wrecking it in bad weather.

Aside from myself, most people who can afford one can afford another car. In my case i am broke all the time, but i got a bitchin car! (not a camaro anymore, PS anyone looking for a 94 camaro?)


PS Bush = retard. What is wrong with you people? Again i must give you all the beating you deserve.
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you dont want to start with the politics on this board trust me... specailly when you are in a tech forum.... good way to get into trouble!! we all have different views but this isnt the forum to share them. anyways if theres 1 inch of snow on the ground my bmw stays inside.... just tp put that into perspective

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