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Old 05-15-2005, 08:11 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I recently bought a new '05 M3 with a 6-speed. Has anyone with an M3 raced either of these 2 cars, and what was the result? My thought without having raced either is that both of these (esp the SRT8 ) cars may be able to pull a little on the M3 during a roll-on. Can the M3 with 262 lb/ft of torque compete with torque between 390 and 420 lb/ft of the others. All 3 have similar power to weight ratios. Thanks.
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I recently bought a new '05 M3 with a 6-speed. Has anyone with an M3 raced either of these 2 cars, and what was the result? My thought without having raced either is that both of these (esp the SRT8 ) cars may be able to pull a little on the M3 during a roll-on. Can the M3 with 262 lb/ft of torque compete with torque between 390 and 420 lb/ft of the others. All 3 have similar power to weight ratios. Thanks.
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As I do not know about the CTS and SRT-8's gearing, I would be inclined to say, "who knows?" Looking at 0-60's and quarter miles ONLY, we see....
(0-60 then .25)

2005 Cadillac CTS-V 4.8 13.20
2004 Cadillac CTS-V (6-Speed Man.) 5.2 13.70

2003 BMW M3 4.8 13.60


... and I can't seem to find the srt8... although I admit I'm not looking too hard.
Just from those times I'd expect the BMW to be equal to the CTS unless rolling at high speeds, and I'm pretty sure the srt8 can eat both of the other cars. But I'm not certain. And this doesn't take into account driver ability, road conditions, CURVES, and whatnot.
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As I do not know about the CTS and SRT-8's gearing, I would be inclined to say, "who knows?" Looking at 0-60's and quarter miles ONLY, we see....
(0-60 then .25)

2005 Cadillac CTS-V 4.8 13.20
2004 Cadillac CTS-V (6-Speed Man.) 5.2 13.70

2003 BMW M3 4.8 13.60


... and I can't seem to find the srt8... although I admit I'm not looking too hard.
Just from those times I'd expect the BMW to be equal to the CTS unless rolling at high speeds, and I'm pretty sure the srt8 can eat both of the other cars. But I'm not certain. And this doesn't take into account driver ability, road conditions, CURVES, and whatnot.
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off the line the wheel hop destroys the v's 0-60(not to mention chews through its rear diff). with our wheel hop correction kit its performance is increased further by about .2 seconds.

the v in general WILL pull on the m3 in almost any gear just because of its torque, but i'd still take a m3 over a v. for the most part i just dont like the blind spots in the v and it feels like you are riding high in it, even when the seat is at its lowest setting. feels like you are riding on it, instead of in it.. unlike the m3.
still a very comfortable crusing car though.

i just completed 1200 miles in 1 day (AZ to CA and back) and other then a slight back ache due to not *quite* sufficient lumbar support, its a good cruiser.

cant speak for the srt8, only seen it in person, never driven it.
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Ahh... wheel hop, I always forget that. Thanks for the in depth comparison... yup those american cars really got that oomph...
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Originally posted by 4evrwyntr@May 18 2005, 08:22 AM
As I do not know about the CTS and SRT-8's gearing, I would be inclined to say, "who knows?" Looking at 0-60's and quarter miles ONLY, we see....
(0-60 then .25)

2005 Cadillac CTS-V 4.8 13.20
2004 Cadillac CTS-V (6-Speed Man.) 5.2 13.70

2003 BMW M3 4.8 13.60


... and I can't seem to find the srt8... although I admit I'm not looking too hard.
Just from those times I'd expect the BMW to be equal to the CTS unless rolling at high speeds, and I'm pretty sure the srt8 can eat both of the other cars. But I'm not certain. And this doesn't take into account driver ability, road conditions, CURVES, and whatnot.
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I got slightly different specs for the M3 which I have always heard. It does the quarter in less than 13.6 I guarantee that.

2002 BMW M3 4.7 13.4

so with the cts-v only .2 sec faster in the quarter, and 0-60 very slightly favors the bimmer, its really a driver's race.Go show 'em what ya got if you're any good.
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