Slip And Slide - BMW Forum - BimmerWerkz.com
Driving Tales Talk about your driving stories in here!

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
#1 (permalink) Old 04-27-2005, 11:58 AM
1st Gear Member
 
jiggs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 115
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
jiggs is an unknown quantity at this point
(Thread Starter)
So I'm relatively new to driving my bimmer and all. I've always heard that it will skid in rain and snow but I really didn't think it was the case in rain. Over the past week it's been raining here in Toronto and I've been driving the same as I always have without any problems .. until last nite. It was coming down pretty hard around 10:30 pm. I was coming off the highway doing about 100 (km/h) onto a 4 lane street. The off ramp connecting to the street was about 90 degree turn. So I go into the curve full speed and then baaaaaam. My back side totally loses control, I skid across three lanes (thank God there was noone behind me) while still pushing hard forward. It was pretty scary yet sick at the same time since it was like one of those movie moments when a car takes a sharp turn and slides across the street . I've learned my lesson though .. in rain slow down on the sharp turns :P
jiggs is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
#2 (permalink) Old 04-27-2005, 12:05 PM
7th Gear (SMG)
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,109
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
4evrwyntr is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to 4evrwyntr Send a message via MSN to 4evrwyntr Send a message via Yahoo to 4evrwyntr
In cases like this - don't blame the car! :P
I've heard a lot of people blame their cars, whether it be mustang or bimmer, and how rear wheel drive sucks blah blah blah. Like you said - you've learned to drive differently. An all wheel drive vehicle if driven incorrectly is MUCH MORE dangerous through a curve than a rear wheel drive (unless it's intelligent all wheel drive). Anyway, glad to hear you're okay - maybe get some all season tires? I mean, good ones? They make a world of difference - you probably know that though.
Sorry, this came out like a rant, but wasn't meant as one.


Crap, I think I may be a yuppie...
1998 BMW e36 M3 Sedan
2003 MINI Cooper
4evrwyntr is offline  
#3 (permalink) Old 04-27-2005, 12:15 PM
1st Gear Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 207
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The Deuce is an unknown quantity at this point
Any car would have done that in your sitation.

You were slowing down going into a sharp corner. With the weight transferred off the back tires, it will slide really easily.

Sounds to me like you think your BMW is some kind of "super" car that can defy the laws of physics.

Glad you didn't hurt anyone being so stupid.

2002 BMW 530i
1997 Ford Mustang GT
1995 Honda VFR 750 (For Sale)
1964.5 Ford Mustang
The Deuce is offline  
#4 (permalink) Old 04-27-2005, 12:27 PM
1st Gear Member
 
whitey_E30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 133
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
whitey_E30 is an unknown quantity at this point
O, but BMWs are super cars... and they do defy the laws of physics

this is my ™
whitey_E30 is offline  
#5 (permalink) Old 04-27-2005, 12:29 PM
1st Gear Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 207
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The Deuce is an unknown quantity at this point
Quote:
Originally posted by whitey_E30@Apr 27 2005, 01:27 PM
O, but BMWs are super cars... and they do defy the laws of physics
[snapback]338330[/snapback]
Don't even get me started on your senior picture.

2002 BMW 530i
1997 Ford Mustang GT
1995 Honda VFR 750 (For Sale)
1964.5 Ford Mustang
The Deuce is offline  
#6 (permalink) Old 04-27-2005, 12:30 PM
1st Gear Member
 
jiggs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 115
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
jiggs is an unknown quantity at this point
(Thread Starter)
used I wasn't blaming my bimmer. Just sharing a story of my ignorance I suppose. I do have a good set of all season tires but I guess going so fast in a sharp curve will do that to any car. The best way to learn is by experience

(i still think the actual skid was pretty cool )
jiggs is offline  
#7 (permalink) Old 04-27-2005, 01:08 PM
7th Gear (SMG)
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,109
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
4evrwyntr is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to 4evrwyntr Send a message via MSN to 4evrwyntr Send a message via Yahoo to 4evrwyntr
Quote:
Originally posted by jiggs@Apr 27 2005, 12:30 PM
used I wasn't blaming my bimmer. Just sharing a story of my ignorance I suppose. I do have a good set of all season tires but I guess going so fast in a sharp curve will do that to any car. The best way to learn is by experience
(i still think the actual skid was pretty cool )
[snapback]338334[/snapback]
You got it! Try as we might, we all make mistakes. The FIRST day after I got my m3, I overestimated my dunlop's winter traction - i.e. I estimated winter traction. In my 318i I was perfectly fine, with some all season kumho's on there which worked quite well through snow and slush.
Anyway, long story short - on ramp + way too much torque + .5' patch of snow = fishtail?!? Wow. Never expected that. I swung around about 4 times before I finally got control (I think part of the problem was also that I did not have experience with ASC... I was probably only exacerbating it - should have just shut it off) but in the process nicked my car. Yup. I is stupid too. But we learn yah.


Crap, I think I may be a yuppie...
1998 BMW e36 M3 Sedan
2003 MINI Cooper
4evrwyntr is offline  
#8 (permalink) Old 04-27-2005, 09:14 PM
1st Gear Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 138
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Jrf786 is an unknown quantity at this point
haha, did the same thing the first week I had my car, hadnt ever driven anything but front wheel japanese cars, and going up a freeway on ramp, the back end kicked out on me, good thing I had the stability control on though, it brought it back. I can drive with it off now and get some pretty good drifts going, but at first, pushing my car to it's limits was a little weird for me.
Jrf786 is offline  
#9 (permalink) Old 04-29-2005, 01:43 PM
Neutral Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 79
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
e30driver is an unknown quantity at this point
dude i wish my car can do that
i allways try to make the rear of my car slide
i try it more in the rain then when its dry out!!!
some times when its dry out if i get lucky i can get my car to drift around right turns and left ones. its fun to try it, just be carefull.
and make sure cops are not around though
e30driver is offline  
#10 (permalink) Old 04-29-2005, 04:12 PM
Millions of them.
 
Torque's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 14,878
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Torque has a reputation beyond repute Torque has a reputation beyond repute Torque has a reputation beyond repute Torque has a reputation beyond repute Torque has a reputation beyond repute Torque has a reputation beyond repute Torque has a reputation beyond repute Torque has a reputation beyond repute Torque has a reputation beyond repute Torque has a reputation beyond repute Torque has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally posted by e30driver@Apr 29 2005, 02:43 PM
dude i wish my car can do that
i allways try to make the rear of my car slide
i try it more in the rain then when its dry out!!!
some times when its dry out if i get lucky i can get my car to drift around right turns and left ones. its fun to try it, just be carefull.
and make sure cops are not around though
[snapback]339215[/snapback]
all bmws are setup for understeer from the factory... which is why it's hard to get the back end out sometimes (in lower powered ones) unless you have less traction than normal.

speaking of understeer i almost ended up in someones lawn today.

Torque is offline  
#11 (permalink) Old 04-29-2005, 04:24 PM
7th Gear (SMG)
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,109
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
4evrwyntr is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to 4evrwyntr Send a message via MSN to 4evrwyntr Send a message via Yahoo to 4evrwyntr
Hit any gnomes?


Crap, I think I may be a yuppie...
1998 BMW e36 M3 Sedan
2003 MINI Cooper
4evrwyntr is offline  
#12 (permalink) Old 04-29-2005, 04:29 PM
Neutral Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 79
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
e30driver is an unknown quantity at this point
is understeer where your front end slides?
or is that when the rear end slides?

thanks
e30driver is offline  
#13 (permalink) Old 04-29-2005, 04:45 PM
1st Gear Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 138
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Jrf786 is an unknown quantity at this point
Front end slides, and the car "pushes." It takes a lot more than a heavy right foot to drift correctly. You need to learn about the weight distribution and how to control it. My 528 understeers constantly in the twists, it's ANNOYING.
Jrf786 is offline  
#14 (permalink) Old 04-29-2005, 11:01 PM
Millions of them.
 
Torque's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 14,878
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Torque has a reputation beyond repute Torque has a reputation beyond repute Torque has a reputation beyond repute Torque has a reputation beyond repute Torque has a reputation beyond repute Torque has a reputation beyond repute Torque has a reputation beyond repute Torque has a reputation beyond repute Torque has a reputation beyond repute Torque has a reputation beyond repute Torque has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally posted by 4evrwyntr@Apr 29 2005, 05:24 PM
Hit any gnomes?
[snapback]339312[/snapback]
didn't hit anything, and there wasnt anything to hit, but i came within a inch of plowing into it.

Torque is offline  
#15 (permalink) Old 04-30-2005, 12:20 AM
Neutral Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 79
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
e30driver is an unknown quantity at this point
so understeer is bad?
e30driver is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  BMW Forum - BimmerWerkz.com > General Category > Driving Tales


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome