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#1 (permalink) Old 07-10-2005, 02:37 AM
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I don't race my car very much. For God's sake, it's a 2.8 liter automatic. It looks awesome, to be sure, and ricers are always trying to get me to go; most of the time, of course, they're in little four-bangers that I'd wipe the floor with anyway--definitely not worth the bother.

Tonight at 2:30am was different. I was in Maryland, coming homewards on a six lane road about a mile and a half south of the DC Beltway (which I was headed for). The road was practically deserted. I came up to a stoplight where in the left lane was an '01-'03 Mustang GT (not just badging but also twin pipes) and in the middle lane a later-model Camaro. These are two of my favourite cars; when I was buying my 528, I would've gotten a GT had I found the right deal. I could not resist. I pulled into the right-hand lane, popped it into third, and listened to the two muscle cars revving at each other. Finally, the light turns green, and I hit the gas expecting all the while to be dusted by both of them. The results were extremely surprising to me.

Rubber squealed from both of them; it much more briefly squealed from me. The Mustang must have gotten a bad start or something, because he was toast from the word go--I was already two car lengths past the white line by the time his back end crossed it. I was ahead of the Camaro, too. At six or seven car lengths, the Camaro's nose starts coming up on me--my slushbox was shifting. Further on, the camaro's nose is as far forward as my front wheel-well; I look over and the driver smiles at me. But then he shifts, and I'm already in 3rd. And there's a curve coming. My foot is still fully on the gas pedal. I take the curve hard--but the Camaro takes his foot off the gas. I've got to be at 85-90 by now. The next traffic light turns red. We slow down; Camaro pulls up to me, GT guns it again once he's out of the curve and gets to the light before either of us. I look left, and they're both staring at me intently. Camaro salutes, GT gives the thumbs-up. I take my right-turn to get me to the beltway with a profound feeling of satisfaction.

Anybody want to explain how I beat that Camaro? I can understand the GT if he got a bad start, but the Camaro should have destroyed me no question. The curve definitely helped; had he not been forced to back off on the gas, he was about to pull ahead.



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Anybody want to explain how I beat that Camaro? I can understand the GT if he got a bad start, but the Camaro should have destroyed me no question. The curve definitely helped; had he not been forced to back off on the gas, he was about to pull ahead.
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I've done the same thing to a couple mustangs. used It's a little odd considering they're supposed to be rated at 260hp or something and are much lighter than our cars. But I've beaten a couple on the highway before, along with a Subie WRX(not STI) and a Mazda RX-8 used Good work though man, and just goes to show you, our cars arent as slow as you'd think. :P

Oh and dont count out all ricers, I've been RAPED by a turboed out Eclipse, I got a jump but when his turbo kicked in I just stopped it wasnt worth it anymore.
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Eh, not to rain on your parade, but they were bad drivers, or their cars were in bad condition. My car is faster than yours, not much, but definetely faster, and camaros(v8) and GT Mustangs will wipe the floor with me.

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Anybody want to explain how I beat that Camaro? I can understand the GT if he got a bad start, but the Camaro should have destroyed me no question. The curve definitely helped; had he not been forced to back off on the gas, he was about to pull ahead.
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Mustangs are incredible off the straight, but they also seem very very hard to keep that torque under control - it's got to be real easy to lose that rear end, because in a GT it's pretty easy to kick it loose in all gears. Well, at least the first three, in my experience.


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I had to drive my IROC for the last month cause my Bimmer died

But I can understand the guy braking on the corner, i've taken turns in my little 318i that would have probably resulted in crashing, death, and fiery explosions had I tried them in the 'ROC. :

So, my observations.

IROC (& most GM/Ford muscle)= Straight line brute force

318i = unparallelled control, light, awesome gearbox, but slow (Mine is an '85))
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You know, this is a very good topic to bring up.

I find that yes, those cars should beat you, but for the HP that the heavy 5 puts out, with each cars doing their best, the 5 wouldnt do too bad for the power to weight ratio.

I mean like, BMW HP I think, is a lot greater.

For example(in an ideal situation both manuals, and these are idealistic cars, not real ones):

A 200hp BMW that weighs 3k pounds Vs an American Car with 200hp that weighs 3k pounds...which car do you think would win? Id say the BMW, just because I think the engines are a lot more solid and the power that they put out is just better...and then also, you have to take into account, the fact that our engines, CAN be half the displacement of an american engine and still put out more HP, and even if it didnt put out more power...we'd still win..

Ex:
3.0L Euro M3 = 343Hp...
5.0L Mustang = ...it would lose anyways..

BMW engineering is just so high, that regardless the displacement, or power, they never fail to still deliver a performance level higher then that of an american car..

sorry if that got off topic..

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I've beatin v6 mustangs and a v-8 camaro but that was in a twisty road.
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Now now. the 318's control isn't unparalleled... Although it is damn good.


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Well i have a 318 and a firebird formula (both 1995) And there isnt much on the road that can take my firebird. But turns i have to slow down. But i would say the guy in the camaro either had a v6 or he was a bad driver. either way you won so it doesnt really matter. Good burn!!
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