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OK this is really hard. I've finally found a buyer for my non turbo 3000gt and it's time for a new car. One of my friends has a new body style 2 door white 328i. That car is bad ass...it's got 18 inch rims on it and tinted...it's pimp ...I want one. But my other option is a Twin Turbo 3000GT VR-4...AWD, AWS, ECS 320hp stock. I also work at a shop that only works on 3000gt's and stealths so parts for the vr-4 are dirt cheap for me. Do I want a good looking luxury car or a good looking sports car that will throw you back in your seat? This is one of the vr-4's I'm looking at http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...5&category=6350 . But anyways what I want to know from you guys is what all can be done to a 3 series to make it faster? That 328 is soo sloww. So help me be lazy and not have to research it . I talked to a kid that has a 330 (i think) and he said that it's the same bottom end as an M3 and he was putting M3 heads on it. I wasn't convinced that he knew what he was talking about though. What is the difference between an M3 and 330? What do y'all think?
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an M3 is a totaly different than the 330i
M3 makes 333hp with a 3.2l I6
the 330i make like 225hp with a 3.0L I6
pretty much everything on th m3 is totaly different and made for ripping the balls off of other cars
what do you mean as the bottom end?

i would certainky rather have the 328i/330i than that other car, because well if your just driving town and never on the track (street racing is illegal and dangerous to others on the road) you really don't need tons of power, the 330i isn't that slow anyways its stil pretty quick

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Yea I used to be like that too...."who cares about it being fast I just want it to look good and be nice". If you drove that car you would understand though. Our shop car, a 95 vr-4 dynoed at 546 hp at all 4 wheels last month...there's not much like dumping the clutch at 5k rpm in a 550hp AWD car. It's also got All Wheel Steering, ECS...a vr-4 definitely a FUN car to drive.

What I mean by the bottom end is...is it the same block and just a different stroke or is it actually a bigger bored block? What's the difference in the head on a 330 and an M3? If it's the same basic motor I could make an M3 engine out of it. With the 3000gt's at my shop we took a 160hp SOHC 3000gt motor and put the heads from a DOHC twin turbo, the manifolds and turbos and ran oil and water lines to the turbos, added stock TT intercoolers etc. The only difference when we were done was the 10:1 compression vs the 8:1 so we just lowered the boost. All the parts are basically interchangable.

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My opinion has always been when buying a car. You can buy speed but you can't buy class. Its always about class!
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dude, you must be joking right????????? DON"T GET ME STARTED BABY....


I own a 325i and a 96 Vr4 that puts down near 500 at the wheels, I'm a regular member on 3si.org, and if your debating between these two cars??? The Vr4 is sooooo much a better car.. you want to talk about class? The Vr4 turns wayyy more heads than the BMW does.....It rides better, handles 10 times better, interior is 10 times nicer, cleaner, and not as bland/plain as the BMW, and your starting off with 320 all wheel crazy ass horsepower from a 6 speed that will put you in the back seat from a 6k dump... OHHHH man, what are you thinking, If you don't buy that 3k vr4 and you get that crappy ass BMW you are going to be soooo sorry.. The BMW is a disappointment to car fanatics like myself and obviously yourself.... TRUST ME, I already went the route your looking for, and I am severly disappointed from what I expected with the BMW...

All I've got to say, is, when it comes down to you rollin out, do you want to be seen in a car that just shocks the hell out of everyone, saying, damnn..that is amazingggg, or just, WOW, a bmw...with big wheels and an obnoxious exhaust... HAH... I see it in your eyes kid..your going to make the right decision. Vr4's will top the BMW in every aspect and get nearly the same MPG when driven normal.. BOTTOM LINE!



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Does the VR-4 really handle that great? They are porkers of a car. I've seen a VR-4 at auto-x the car had more body roll than a fat ass at an all you can eat jelly doughnut contest. The car lumbered through turns then would blast down straights only to get thrown outta shape at the next turn. To me speed doesn't mean shit if the car can't handle. I agree they are beasts, awesome power, good high speed handling, 6 speed tranny, AWS (but damn expensive for any one if it gets screwed up) but on real twisties I think you would be spanked by the BMW, but I've never experianced a 330i. Yes the 3000gt would turn more heads, but IMO, turning heads is for ricers and for getting caught by cops. Every cop you pass will be watching you in the gt. And BTW the 3000gt used to be my realistic dream car, so it's not like I hate these cars. I think you would have fun with it if the reason above is why you want a car.
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My opinion has always been when buying a car. You can buy speed but you can't buy class. Its always about class!
I Agree with this. The VR-4 is a 'boy-racer" - all speed, no class. It may have something to do with your age, as well. I find that a lot of guys in their late teens to mid 20's go for cars that are as fast as possible and look like they just got off a race track. Once you get older, you appreciate refinement and class much more. Also, the heads you want to turn are important as well. If you want to turn the heads of rice-jockeys and 16 year old girls, then by all means get the VR-4. If you want to turn the heads of WOMEN, the BMW is the way to go.

You can take a classy car and spend money to make it go fast - but not vice versa. No amount of money will inject class into a car that has none to begin with. My girlfriend put it best: "A guy over the age of 25 in a VR-4 = insecure poser with a tiny dick trying really hard to impress."

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Originally posted by DeathMetal+Mar 21 2004, 02:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DeathMetal @ Mar 21 2004, 02:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-S54-MRoadster@Mar 21 2004, 12:02 AM
My opinion has always been when buying a car. You can buy speed but you can't buy class. Its always about class!
I Agree with this. The VR-4 is a 'boy-racer" - all speed, no class. It may have something to do with your age, as well. I find that a lot of guys in their late teens to mid 20's go for cars that are as fast as possible and look like they just got off a race track. Once you get older, you appreciate refinement and class much more. Also, the heads you want to turn are important as well. If you want to turn the heads of rice-jockeys and 16 year old girls, then by all means get the VR-4. If you want to turn the heads of WOMEN, the BMW is the way to go.

You can take a classy car and spend money to make it go fast - but not vice versa. No amount of money will inject class into a car that has none to begin with. My girlfriend put it best: "A guy over the age of 25 in a VR-4 = insecure poser with a tiny dick trying really hard to impress." [/b][/quote]
To say a vr-4 is all speed and no class is just ignorant. Some of my friends have 5.0 mustangs and things like that...now that's all spedd and no class. And if I had the money to have a non daily driver to toy around with I'd buy a 5.0 without thinking twice...you can mod one to have inssane hp for cheap and it's FUN to drive a 500hp RWD car. I could really care less what heads I turn or what anyone thinks, and I'm 19 and had the same gf since 10th grade and she doesn't care what kind of car I drive. The average person wouldn't be able to tell my car from a vr-4 and trust me it turns everyone's heads.

But anyways I wasn't really expecting to come on y'alls forum and everyone to say get the vr-4. What I wanted to know is my questions about the m3 and 330 and what can be done to a 330 to make it quicker?

bimmerfan...you're on 3si huh? What kind of mods to you have on your vr-4 to make 500hp? Wish I could have a 500hp vr-4 AND a BMW . I work at 3sx in Charlotte.

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Yea I used to be like that too...."who cares about it being fast I just want it to look good and be nice". If you drove that car you would understand though. Our shop car, a 95 vr-4 dynoed at 546 hp at all 4 wheels last month...there's not much like dumping the clutch at 5k rpm in a 550hp AWD car. It's also got All Wheel Steering, ECS...a vr-4 definitely a FUN car to drive.

What I mean by the bottom end is...is it the same block and just a different stroke or is it actually a bigger bored block? What's the difference in the head on a 330 and an M3? If it's the same basic motor I could make an M3 engine out of it. With the 3000gt's at my shop we took a 160hp SOHC 3000gt motor and put the heads from a DOHC twin turbo, the manifolds and turbos and ran oil and water lines to the turbos, added stock TT intercoolers etc. The only difference when we were done was the 10:1 compression vs the 8:1 so we just lowered the boost. All the parts are basically interchangable.
used to be like what? senseble?
i'm not talk about "good" and "nice" i'm talking about not bieng an asshole on the road.
if you want a completly unsafe car on public roads go ahead, you'll get what you deserve soon enough

yes i belive the 3.2 in the M3 shares the same block with the 330i (other than being bored out) not much else though

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that is tough dude. they're both hella cool cars. before i got my bimmer i was always intrested in and impressed by the vr4.
if it were me, i'd go for the 330 in a heartbeat-but thats just me. i wanted a bmw for five years before i got one and i have become even more obsessed since.

but as far as your actual question, if you can upgrade a 330 to become more like an m3, i'm afraid i'm not gonna be much help. sorry dude. hope whatever you decide to go with works out.

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VR4 is one of the best awesome handlign cars. Its very poweerful and is often called the cheaper supercar. Go VR4-4. Although if you threw an M3 into the mix, id say screw VR-4


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You say Best handling Cars? I would say no. The car weighs close to 4000lbs. No way in hell its goin to handle great in stock form. I've driven several years of the VR4 and I do like them but I'm not too much into Japanese cars. I don't like the Aura it gives out. I would say get the 330 for the fact its more of a daily driver. Plus it does attract the Fast and Furious crowd, tryin to race you in the VR4.
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whatever bro.... you and I both know deep down in your heart you have always known what to get. Come on, these Ur o peein guys here talking nonsense, the two of us know the difference. there's no going wrong with a VR4, daily driven or weekend big block killer.. I drove my Vr4 with DR-650s all last year as my daily driver and I was getting 300 miles to a tank....

look at it this way.. what are you going to do, when your out rollin, and the guy next to you pulls up in his Z06 vette with borla exhaust and is ready to run you? pull up with that 330 and expect to hang with him in first gear even?? NO your going to pull up to the next light, drop it at 5k and burn all 4 tires as you show the vette your taillights through 100+... Let me know how it goes with the new purchase kid..



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class + performance? why not the g35 coupe.. if you have the money in the first place to get he 330 why not get the g35 since you sound like you're more of a performance enthusiast.. imo the 325/330 are just cars made for drivers who seeks luxury cars with a hint of a sporty trend in the mix.. comparing a pure sports car lik the 3000gt isnt too "fair" to compare it to the 325/330 but then again once we're talkin about the M, the price difference can be a problem.. but if money wasnt.. maybe the M is something you should look into either that or the g35coupe.. theyre all nice cars.. just a side note if you want performance, dont expect the 325/300 to beat a car made for its purpose

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What about the more practical side of the question. How long are you planning on keeping the car? The VR-4s have several week points, basically meaning that even though they are japanese they still can get heavy on maintiance. I know this may not be a money consideration because of the shop that you know, but the inconvience of being out of a car for a few days a couple times a year isn't very appealing to me. Also which body style VR-4 are you going for? I love the way the older style looks. To me the newer style looks like a fat ass eclipse. Not a good look IMO.
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