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#1 (permalink) Old 06-08-2005, 03:13 PM
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I'm starting to toss around the idea of directly connecting my iPod into my audio system, but I'm not going to get any of those pre-fab kits. The audio part I have taken care of (I think), but I'd like to put an iPod dock somewhere (probably in my ash tray). I need to get power to it, but I don't want something sticking out of the cigarette outlet all the time (I'm going for as stealthy a look as possible). Does anyone know if it would be safe to splice off power from underneath the cigarette outlet? I would basically take an iPod car charger, a female outlet, splice it into the existing wiring, run the cable to the ash tray, and hide it all under the center console. Is this a good/bad idea? Can anyone think of another stealthy way to power the iPod?

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That will work just fine. Make sure that you fuse any wiring you add to protect your car in case something happens to the wire...



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Thanks. Now the next trick: does anyone know how to configure the cigarette outlet so that it does NOT get power when the car is off (like newer Chryslers, for example)? The reason I ask is because I'm using the Belkin Auto Kit, which has a nice feature that will automatically pause the iPod when it loses power, but since my outlet never loses power I have to remember to hit pause everytime I get out of the car. Any ideas?

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You'll have to move the power from where it is now to a place that turns on/off with the key switch, (i.e. the radios power). Unfortunately, there isn't any way to "configure" it. The ground wire is ok, you'll just have to move the power.



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Well, I figured that, but thanks. More specifically, I was wondering if anyone knew of a feed that I could safely tap into in the center console. I'd be worried about too much current if I spliced off the radio, although that would be the ideal spot--then if I turned the power to the radio off, the iPod would pause too! Do you think my concern about the current through the wire is well founded, or am I just worrying too much?

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Well, I figured that, but thanks. More specifically, I was wondering if anyone knew of a feed that I could safely tap into in the center console. I'd be worried about too much current if I spliced off the radio, although that would be the ideal spot--then if I turned the power to the radio off, the iPod would pause too! Do you think my concern about the current through the wire is well founded, or am I just worrying too much?
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If all you are planning to run is the ipod, the draw from that isnt enough to cause a concern. If the radio is turned off, your ipod will still be on until the key is actually turned off.

There is a way (with a relay) to use the power (current) from the cig lighter, and have it turn on/off with the power button on the radio. If you are interested and have access to a SPDT 12V relay (radio shack, walmart carries them, theyre cheap and reliable), I can assist you.



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IMO, IPod's haven't exactly proven themselves reliable enough to warrent doing a THING to the wiring of your car! (At the very least, it'll probably lose a little resale value... Or you'd have to spend money changing it back first). ANyway, I'm still too suspicious of them to get an ipod, so I don't know how they go together or anything... but couldn't you just get a tape adapter?

And, instead of the ashtray, what about your glovebox?

Also, what da_bull said bout the wiring....

Still, the risk of possible really screwing up your car's electrical wiring and blowing all kinds of expensive bits and peices .... vs ... a mp3 player with the recent battery disaster history...

Myself, I'm saving up for a new mp3 player cd changer... There are lots of options...
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Well, I figured that, but thanks. More specifically, I was wondering if anyone knew of a feed that I could safely tap into in the center console. I'd be worried about too much current if I spliced off the radio, although that would be the ideal spot--then if I turned the power to the radio off, the iPod would pause too! Do you think my concern about the current through the wire is well founded, or am I just worrying too much?
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Where in the center console? When you say "radio", do you mean your head unit, or something else?

I don't think it would be as simple as tapping into a wire in the center console in there. Where in your center console? I also don't think you could just tap into some of the power you use for your head unit? If you could, depending on where it was I s'pose, I dont' think there's a steady, safe level that the battery produces? At least before it reaches your computer's motherboard and it tells it what to do... Which may be another problem with doing this... The computer runs for a bit after the ignition's off... then it shuts down too. You MAY have to do something to the computer? I have no idea. That's getting way too complicated for me.

The only thing I can think of that are workable after the car's been off are parking lights and the light's inside the car's cabin... Maybe you could look into that????

I don't think you're worrying too much.
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You could actually use the output from the back of the HU that is used to remotely switch on amplifiers etc. The ipod uses very little current to run/charge.

I am with beachbunnny on this though, don't do anything too permenant to your car. It is not worth it for an ipod. I bought one less than three weeks ago and I am very disappointed with it. The sound quality is mediocre at best, itunes is a joke, battery life/duration is ridiculous and the stock headphones are terrible. If I could go back 3 weeks and do it all again, I would buy a 1gb netmd Minidisk recorder for less money.
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Well I think all of your views on the iPod are a little misguided; I can hold my whole music collection on it, it's light and small, it has an easy user interface and the battery lasts for almost 12 hours. And with the line out adapter from Belkin in the car, it sounds as good as the CD changer--passengers who rode in my car last week couldn't even tell it was an iPod until they saw me changing tracks.

At any rate, while I appreciate the response in this thread I tend to agree that I should not modify the wiring. After a week I have already gotten in the habit of hitting pause before I exit the car, so it's definitely not necessary to get into the wiring. Although I already have replaced all the speakers and added a sub an amplifier, so I'm not particularly worried about preserving OEM wiring

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I know where you are coming from on the ipod, but my opinions are not misguided, The sound quality is limited by the fact that music either has to be downloaded from the net of loaded up from the mediocre abilities of a PC. Itunes is very inflexible and almost totally geared to getting you to buy music online. The Apple lossless format is not loss less by their own admission. Battery duration is scaleable dependant on the resolution you chose, the best I have had is 7 hours of a sound quality easily beaten by my 20 year old Nakamichi cassette recorder. So, is this progress?
Finally, the supplied headphones really are crap.

Misguided? No.

Still, you could charge your ipod from the amp remote as I said earlier. The ipod charge current is very small.
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Sorry, misguided was the wrong word. Perhaps slightly misinformed. You complained about the battery life; I pointed out that the battery life on the 4th gens like I have is more than sufficient for me, and for most. I don't think a lot of people are away from a charger for 12 hours worth of listening time. I pretty much just use mine in the car, and then take it out and listen at work, which is only about 6-8 hours total.

You also complained about iTunes, which I can totally understand. However, did you know you don't have to use iTunes? I don't use iTunes. I use Winamp to sync my music collection with the iPod. The ml_ipod plugin for Winamp provides amazing flexibility and one-click syncing...much better than iTunes.

Also, I don't think anyone will argue the headphones are crap. But $30 and Amazon.com will get you some really nice Sony EX-71 buds that sound great.

For now, I tucked the wiring for the casette adapter inside the dash trim and the only wire you can see is the one going from the cigarette lighter to the iPod. I'm pretty happy with it for now for how simple/cheap it was, and how good it sounds. If I feel ambitious later, I'll know where to wire. Thanks guys!

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In the context of day to day audio the ipod is acceptible. In the context of high end audio it is fair to poor. This is especially true when you consider the falling price of things like the Alesis Masterdisk and the latest Sony Minidisk, both of which will record and play back well beyond CD quality. On top of that the new Sony minidisks start from half the price of an ipod 20GB 4G. By the time you are at the 20GB 4G price you are approaching top of the line.

At the moment I have moved back to itunes from Real Audio - even worse. I intend to try music match next.

Unless you intend doing some serious work on your wiring for your ipod, my advice is to stick with the cassette adaptor. I have a couple of these and an itrip. The adaptors are better. I get the best sound by setting the the ipod eq for treble boost and setting dolby b on the cassette deck. This removes some of the hiss without ading DBX pump that dolby c adds. Also have a prod of the cassette adaptor or a slight tug on the wire while it is in place. This can also help alignment.


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I'm sure you're right about the sound quality when compared to higher end products. But I'm not an audiophile, and I'll live in blissful ignorance since the music sounds pretty good to me!

And as far as price, I got my iPod for free from TiVo, which is pretty much the only reason I have one. Can't argue with a free iPod, can you?

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