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I am new to the BMW world, new to the forum, and have been reading through the topics. A lot of reference is made to numbers for cars, or engines. Is there a quick reference I can refer to in order to understand. I have two 2004 BMWs: a 545i, and an X5-4.8. What are the numbers for these? Thanks, ZZ
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Maybe this can help.?.?.?

ENGINE
M20 2 valve 2.0, 2.3, 2.5, 2.7 liter 6 cylinder 320i/6 323i 325i 325e 528e
M30 2 valve 2.8, 3.0, 3.3, 3.5 liter 6 cylinder 528i 535i 630 633 635 733i
735 745 2500 2800 3.0S 3.0SI
M44 4 valve 1.9 liter 4 cylinder Z-3 318i 96-on
M50 4 valve 2.5 2.8 liter 6 cylinder 325i 540i 328i 535i
M60 4 valve 3.0 4.0 liter V-8 530i 540i
M62 4 valve 4.4 liter 8 cylinder 740i 95-on 540i 97-on
M70 2 valve 12 cylinder 750il 850i
S14 4 valve 2.3 liter 4 cylinder M3 thru 91
S38 4 valve 3.5 liter 6 cylinder M5
E38 M6 E24
S50 4 valve 3.0 liter 6 cylinder M3 95
S52 4 valve 3.2 liter 6 cylinder M3 96-97
M21 TurboCharged Diesel 6 cylinder 524Td
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Originally posted by ///Matt@Jan 26 2005, 02:41 AM
Maybe this can help.?.?.?

ENGINE
M20 2 valve 2.0, 2.3, 2.5, 2.7 liter 6 cylinder 320i/6 323i 325i 325e 528e**
M30 2 valve 2.8, 3.0, 3.3, 3.5 liter 6 cylinder 528i 535i 630 633 635 733i
735 745* 2500* 2800 3.0S 3.0SI
M44 4 valve 1.9 liter 4 cylinder Z-3* 318i 96-on* * * **
M50 4 valve 2.5 2.8 liter 6 cylinder 325i 540i 328i* 535i* *
M60 4 valve 3.0 4.0 liter V-8 530i 540i* * * **
M62 4 valve 4.4 liter 8 cylinder 740i 95-on 540i 97-on* * * **
M70 2 valve 12 cylinder 750il 850i* * * * **
S14 4 valve 2.3 liter 4 cylinder M3 thru 91* * * * **
S38 4 valve 3.5 liter 6 cylinder M5
E38 M6 E24* * * **
S50 4 valve 3.0 liter 6 cylinder M3 95* * * * **
S52 4 valve 3.2 liter 6 cylinder M3 96-97* * * * **
M21 TurboCharged Diesel 6 cylinder 524Td
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Thanks much for the Excellent info. and I wish to add the following BMW numbering system in a historical perspective. Since it is a lot of info. all members feel free to contribute to this topic; it's worth pinning and once it's completed will serve as a reference for all.

BMW's numbering system is simple- not really- it gets very hairy especially when it comes to E34. Lets see how we mark on this subject; to all members there will be a test.

A. Numbers, odd ones, may indicate size and close to (only to me) ballpark price. So we hear 3-series, 5-series and 7 series and 1-series (Europe) the other two digits may point to the size of engine. For example 325i is 3 series plus a 2.5 engine; 330i plus 3.0 engine. So far so good?

B. The “i” is a legacy from the past when we used to say “my car has fuel injectors; not a carb”; that famous “i” gets a “d” in lower cases to show Europeans do drive a BMW powered by a diesel engine. (Major factor is gas prices for sure) and it is very common to see a 3 series carrying the “d” letter.

C. If you notice there are additional letters (to make this exam a bit harder) which may appear after the above numbers Ci ,Xi. The C is Coupe (MB has it as well) the X is simply all wheel drive. Just like yours. Simple? Sure? Wait for D below.

D. This is the multiple choice part of our exam. While the “E” stuff in Mercedes has been used to point out a whole class of cars vs. others such as S and C class; BMW insisted on doing it their own way. How so? The “E34” is the mother of all E confusions in that it points to 530i with 3.0 V8 no less. This particular E34 sits in the middle between the another E34 525i a 2.5 (with 6 bangers) and a third E34 540i (4L with 8 bangers) early years of its development though. In sum-and so far- we have 3 versions of the E34 alone.

E. The E39 showed up in 1997 to show us the 528i.

To be continued covering the (E46,E60, E90 etc) by any forum member or admin.
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Lets not forget the 525 in the early 90s was also m20.

Also the e34 came in PLENTY of versions, not just three. Theres a 518(4 cyl) 520(6 cyl) 525(6 cyl (in both e34 models)) 530 (8 cyl) 535(6cyl) 540(8cyl) and m5(both e34 models 6 cyl)

so theres 7 e34s right there, not including the ones that switch from m20 to m50 and from s38b36 to s38b38!!

sorry if I made things more confusing.

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Lets not forget the 525 in the early 90s was also m20.

Also the e34 came in PLENTY of versions, not just three. Theres a 518(4 cyl) 520(6 cyl) 525(6 cyl (in both e34 models)) 530 (8 cyl) 535(6cyl) 540(8cyl) and m5(both e34 models 6 cyl)

so theres 7 e34s right there, not including the ones that switch from m20 to m50 and from s38b36 to s38b38!!

sorry if I made things more confusing.
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you only making the exam harder...thus we will make it a multiple choice. More info. about the M is on the way though.

p.s. when posting I'll do my best to cover it in independent sections....E34, E39, E90 etc
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Well said guys... Nice lil engine chart, I've learned something new today!

Thanks guys

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Originally posted by ///Matt@Jan 25 2005, 09:41 PM
Maybe this can help.?.?.?

ENGINE
M20 2 valve 2.0, 2.3, 2.5, 2.7 liter 6 cylinder 320i/6 323i 325i 325e 528e
M30 2 valve 2.8, 3.0, 3.3, 3.5 liter 6 cylinder 528i 535i 630 633 635 733i
735 745 2500 2800 3.0S 3.0SI
M44 4 valve 1.9 liter 4 cylinder Z-3 318i 96-on
M50 4 valve 2.5 2.8 liter 6 cylinder 325i 540i 328i 535i
M60 4 valve 3.0 4.0 liter V-8 530i 540i
M62 4 valve 4.4 liter 8 cylinder 740i 95-on 540i 97-on
M70 2 valve 12 cylinder 750il 850i
S14 4 valve 2.3 liter 4 cylinder M3 thru 91
S38 4 valve 3.5 liter 6 cylinder M5
E38 M6 E24
S50 4 valve 3.0 liter 6 cylinder M3 95
S52 4 valve 3.2 liter 6 cylinder M3 96-97
M21 TurboCharged Diesel 6 cylinder 524Td
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Wow, ask a question, and I fear the answer has given way to a need for more info. I still don't know what number my 545i, or my X5 -4.8 is. What am I not reading correctly in the very good chart which has been provided? Thanks, ZZ
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Wow, ask a question, and I fear the answer has given way to a need for more info.* I still don't know what number my 545i, or my X5 -4.8 is.* What am I not reading correctly in the very good chart which has been provided?* Thanks, ZZ
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An apology or two is in order and you're right I should've answered your questions first as such your 545i is E60 and your X5 is E53. I hope this answers it.

p.s. this topic will continue to be open for further info. and will serve as a good reference to all members soon. Thanks for your understanding....
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More on numbering:

A. Very recent:1999-2003

3 series E46
M3 E46

5 series E60
M5 E60

7 series E65
7 series E66

X3 E83

Z4 E85
X5 E53

B. Current/Future:

1 series E81
3 series E90
5 series E60 (repeated)
6 Series E63-E64

P.S. feel free to double check the above info. before we post it as a final reference. Any corrections/add ons are appreciated.....More to come!
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Originally posted by sp0rky@Jan 25 2005, 09:20 PM
Lets not forget the 525 in the early 90s was also m20.
yeah! thats me....

i think whats confusing u is that each car can idenify itself using numbers that refer to different things.

my bmw is a 1990 525i
5 series with a 2.5 liter engine -(525)following?
E34 -is my car's body or style made in that year.
my engine is an m20 -which is a model engine made then
this type engine is an I6 or strait six (six cylinders in a line)

if i were to put these kind of lables on my chevy impala it would be kinda like this:

my chevy is a 2001 impala
impala with a 3.4 liter engine
2001 style impala -is my car's body or style made in that year.
my engine is a 3400
this type engine is a V6 (3 cylinders on each side forming a "v")

manufacturures all have their own way of coming up with names for things, referencing engine sizes and what not. u just have to stare at it long enough to recognize their code.


-once you do a little hunting and pecking it will all come together for you.


haha - i just noticed i've got a "34" trend going on in my life....
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yeah! thats me....
I feel for you...

I have the e34 w/ m20 also... slowest car ever created. lol.

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yeah! thats me....
I feel for you...

I have the e34 w/ m20 also... slowest car ever created. lol.
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its not THAT bad is it?....auto tooo.... hahah i guess it is!

i love my car actually. -its my first bimmer. i'll fix it up, sell it and move up the chain a little at a time.

i am getting a chip soon to pep it up a bit in the mid range

i'm hoping it will get rid of that sluggish feeling when starting from a dead stop, too.
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Bill B, again thank you very much. I am pleased to have the numbers for my vehicles. As an aside, are all X5s numbered E53, or are the smaller engine X5s numbered differently? My X5 is very strong, almost breathing fire. I had a 4.6 before, and there is a lot of difference between the 4.8 and the 4.6. ZZ
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Sorry to hijack the topic, but I want to make sure I have this right. I own a 1988 535i, 5 speed manual, 4 door sedan. So i have an e28? What I'm really confused about now is why it says 535i m5 on the title to the car.
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