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Apologies for being drunk and abusive last night - It's no excuse but got a few personal probs at the present.

Anyway Sorry if I pi***d anyone off.
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Originally posted by BeelZibub@Dec 11 2004, 10:41 AM
Apologies for being drunk and abusive last night - It's no excuse but got a few personal probs at the present.

Anyway Sorry if I pi***d anyone off.
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Hey B -

No problem, man. I could tell you weren't your usual self and that either you were sauced or someone else got ahold of your password. At least it was an entertaining response - the visual was great!

Classy move to apologize. Stick with us and we'll we will stick with you!

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Apologies for being drunk and abusive last night - It's no excuse but got a few personal probs at the present.

Anyway Sorry if I pi***d anyone off.
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As far as I am concerned you did NOT; because you never direct your comments at a particular person on the forum, thus it was not a personal attack. You simply cited a high tech but manual procedure! to tighten those wheel nuts, heck I do it at all times using my foot and it should be recommended by chiropractors for those BMW drivers (senior citizens like me) at age 35 and above. And Silver E39 yes there is no need for torque tools to tighten those wheels, just step on and if you break it go out and buy another one. a word of caution though: when I stand on the wrench, I open the nearest door and hold onto the car, otherwise I may loose balance and fall. Age thing I guess.
BeelZ this is your community forum and we are one family of friends here so glad to have someone like you armed with the type of knowledge you posses. Stay cool

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Originally posted by Eric S.+Dec 11 2004, 04:58 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Eric S. @ Dec 11 2004, 04:58 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-BeelZibub@Dec 11 2004, 10:41 AM
Apologies for being drunk and abusive last night - It's no excuse but got a few personal probs at the present.

Anyway Sorry if I pi***d anyone off.
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Hey B -

No problem, man. I could tell you weren't your usual self and that either you were sauced or someone else got ahold of your password. At least it was an entertaining response - the visual was great!

Classy move to apologize. Stick with us and we'll we will stick with you!
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This is exactly what I mean by one family of friends, now get back to work, read the non-standard 5 series post, tell us what people on your side of the water think about it!
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Originally posted by Eric S.+Dec 11 2004, 11:58 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Eric S. @ Dec 11 2004, 11:58 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-BeelZibub@Dec 11 2004, 10:41 AM
Apologies for being drunk and abusive last night - It's no excuse but got a few personal probs at the present.

Anyway Sorry if I pi***d anyone off.
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Hey B -

No problem, man. I could tell you weren't your usual self and that either you were sauced or someone else got ahold of your password. At least it was an entertaining response - the visual was great!

Classy move to apologize. Stick with us and we'll we will stick with you!
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To further explain "entertaining response" - who hasn't stood on a cro-bar or similar to creak loose a stuck lugnut, right? So maybe I was just weird but in doing so, but my mind couldn't resist wondering what would happen if I tightened them back via the same method - which is what Beelz tried to describe, and so I got a kick out of it.

On that topic - why DO German cars use Lug bolts instead of lug nuts? The only other car I've had with these things is my old Porsche 914. It makes it a real PAIN to put them back on the hubs and align the holes. With studs, it's much easier to "hang" the wheel back on the car when re-installing the wheel. Whyizzit? Anyone? used

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While other members can comments on the engineering aspect of lug bolts vs. nuts I’ll limit my reply to the following:

A. There is a tool kit, came in with my car. A metal threaded rod with plastic cover which I use to hang the wheel from the top hole. Pretty handy so it gives me the chance to get the other lug bolts on. It does make life easier. Note the front hub also start rotating while I am hugging the wheel to put it on; not the best feeling either.

B. Using bolts, I think, makes the discs replacement easier. They don’t get so rusty when compared with the nuts over studs setup.

C. Also and probably there is a cost factor: on BMWs you are dealing with 2 pieces only (threaded holes in a disc plus a lug bolt) where others use 3-5 more pieces (the disc, hole, pressed bolts, nuts etc) Cost factor? Convenience, anti hernia counter measure to us? possibly to our mechanics?

D. The only thing I don’t like about it is when I try to get those 17”rims out; they feel like someone got them welded to the hub. The amazing part? It doesn’t happen with the stock 15’ ones.

Are there any advantages from an engineering point view? Strength, stress and breaking points etc) I don’t know used used
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Originally posted by BeelZibub@Dec 11 2004, 10:41 AM
Apologies for being drunk and abusive last night - It's no excuse but got a few personal probs at the present.

Anyway Sorry if I pi***d anyone off.
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CLASS ACT!

Not too many people would apologize ... much less on a public forum. You're the man!

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Originally posted by WindowPro+Dec 12 2004, 06:03 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WindowPro @ Dec 12 2004, 06:03 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-BeelZibub@Dec 11 2004, 10:41 AM
Apologies for being drunk and abusive last night - It's no excuse but got a few personal probs at the present.

Anyway Sorry if I pi***d anyone off.
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While other members can comments on the engineering aspect of lug bolts vs. nuts I’ll limit my reply to the following:

A. There is a tool kit, came in with my car. A metal threaded rod with plastic cover which I use to hang the wheel from the top hole. Pretty handy so it gives me the chance to get the other lug bolts on. It does make life easier. Note the front hub also start rotating while I am hugging the wheel to put it on; not the best feeling either.

B. Using bolts, I think, makes the discs replacement easier. They don’t get so rusty when compared with the nuts over studs setup.

C. Also and probably there is a cost factor: on BMWs you are dealing with 2 pieces only (threaded holes in a disc plus a lug bolt) where others use 3-5 more pieces (the disc, hole, pressed bolts, nuts etc) Cost factor? Convenience, anti hernia counter measure to us? possibly to our mechanics?

D. The only thing I don’t like about it is when I try to get those 17”rims out; they feel like someone got them welded to the hub. The amazing part? It doesn’t happen with the stock 15’ ones.

Are there any advantages from an engineering point view? Strength, stress and breaking points etc) I don’t know used used
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My only guess is studs can break off. They can be repaired though.
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And Silver E39 yes there is no need for torque tools to tighten those wheels, just step on and if you break it go out and buy another one. a word of caution though: when I stand on the wrench, I open the nearest door and hold onto the car, otherwise I may loose balance and fall. Age thing I guess.
No actually there is a very good reason why I used a torque wrentch, first of all but not most important I can torque my wheels all the same and to what bmw recommends, but most importantly when you stand on a wrench they tend to fall off and I just spend 1800 on wheels so I am going to be a little careful...

And BeelZibub, dont worry about anything

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