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Old 12-15-2011, 05:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Alex and Vard's E34 530i Touring manual.

Here is one of my most recent acquisitions. A BMW 530i Touring, 'E34' shape. It's a manual transmission car and has such luxuries as a trip computer, air con and electric windows. All working too.

There is a story behind me getting it, which I won't bore you with here but suffice to say this was an unexpected arrival and one that was too good not to buy. It was so reasonable I had to get it, as it were...!

Anyway, enough waffle. Pictures.

























Whilst it isn't bad at all it isn't perfect. There are the odd things that need doing to it but I'll get these addressed as and when.

The plan originally was to use this thing throughout the depths of winter, primarily to save putting the other cars through the salty season. Yes, I know that a rear wheel drive car is not ideal for snow...

Since purchase, I've done a thousand miles or so in it, and one weekend a few weeks back spent a happy afternoon shall we say, 'stretching the legs' of the Beemer with my good friend Vard. It's most definitely fit for purpose for the plans we have for it. If you catch my DRIFT...

The plan was originally to take it on a Banger rally, and then bring it back and drift the nuts off the thing.

Here it is, looking somewhat agricultural after a bit of fun.



After that picture was taken, we popped over to see Vard's mate Dan, who very kindly supplied us with a new expansion tank cap. By this time, we'd noticed that the engine bay hoses were starting to be a little hard. Not a good sign.

After saying farewells, Vard started up the BM, and I suddenly noticed steam appear. Not good.

At first sight it appeared that a hose had popped off the water pump. With kind help from Dan we tried to get it sorted, however it soon became apparent that water pump housing where the hose fits onto had sheared. Great.

It also became alarming to note that the coolant that was emerging was very oily. That'll be why it was over-pressurising then. Headgasket(s). Nice.

It's now been recovered back to Vard's, and is now a non-runner. So from Hero to Zero in five minutes. But at least the strange issues I'd been experiencing are now explained.

Options to move forward:

1) SCRAP IT (drastic)
2) Repair.
3) Bin the M60 engine and fit either a 4.0 or 4.4 M62.

It's clear that Rover HGF was one of BMW's presents...

Currently now considering options. Vorsprung Durch Technik etc, but what we think we will do is strip it down see how bad the M60B30 is and go from there.

As a car it is otherwise quite sound. No obvious major rot, and other than an irritating suspension clonk from the back end there seems little else wrong. Hey, I know an engine being shot is not ideal, but if it is a simple case of "fix/replace and off we go", I can live with that.

Vard has posted a thread up re an engine swap, so hopefully we can shed some light on that possible conversion.

Thanks for looking!
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I like it TBH ;-)
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Old 12-16-2011, 11:52 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks Dabsy!

I'd like it more if it actually worked...

TBH were it not for Vard, this thing would be cubed / stripped for spares by now and I'd be after another.

He's convinced me to sort it.
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I agree with Vard matey... I'd have it off you tho ;-o
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If I sold it, I think Vard would probably thump me. He'd do that quicker than you can say "SCRAP IT"
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Nah, I love the E34 mate... My E38 is proper thrashing my head... Just found out that my sidelight bulbs are 21w LOL
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I owned a 740iL E38 a few years ago. Lovely cars.

The E34 is a lot more DIY friendly I imagine.
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Not really any differences !! The SEVEN is 2 tonne thats all LOL
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Old 12-16-2011, 02:33 PM   #9 (permalink)
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An E38 750 is on my "must own" list for 2012...

It'll come sooner if I had my way and moved this flipping dead grey thing on.... :P
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Liking your intentions mate ;-)
Hunt a B12 out (Alpina 7series) effing awesome...
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That would be the ultimate!

Having thought long and hard about this E34, Vard and I have been chatting it over; we're going to take the plunge and replace the M60B30 engine and fit a 4.0 replacement unit.

Mad? Maybe. Epic awesomeness as a result? Definitely.

Now, to find an M60B40 engine/loom/ECU/whatever else needed at sensible money...
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I suppose I had better update this, really.

Fair warning, epic thread update, lots of pictures. 56k'ers, might as well put the kettle on.

We chose a bad week to undertake the conversion really - mild for the last three weeks, and this week it choses to get really bollock-shrinkingly cold.



Left to right, my mate Ian and Alex SBY.



God save us... :-\



Bonnet off first thing.



This is what we discovered upon unearthing the DME - it appears to already be a 4.0 automatic unit... Curious, but possibly a contributor to the abysmal fuel economy, and constant smell of unburnt fuel....



"Well, I've got no use for it... would you put down that bloody camera and take this!!"



Plus some completely redundant wires - this is 90% of the contents of the O/S bank's wiring box. Mildly unsettling to us Rover boys, this - we're not used to the idea of having all the wiring in place for every possible option, and just blanked...

We reckoned it must be all the wiring that would've gone to the plug on the slushbox.





This photo was taken at about five to nine, the frost had been on the cars for a good two and a bit hours at this point;



After this evening, we celebrated the progress with a litre bottle of Morgan's Spiced rum between Alex and myself, followed by six or eight pints of Magners.

The following morning I was not the happiest of bunnies, and progress on Sunday ran at two speeds - slow as hell and stopped for a break.

Now, us being Rover boys, and used to transverse mounted lumps, we've not played with anything like this before. That's not really a defense for not looking well enough though, and we didn't spot that in order to remove the engine, we needed to remove first the exhausts, and second the gearbox - otherwise the exhaust manifolds foul on both the bell housing and the steering column.

Yours truly;



Alex and myself looking rather disheartened by the lack of continued progress, thanks to our ignorance for what needed removing.





Then Ian showed up...



... and managed to get us enthused again for half an hour



Achieved nothing with the grinder except two f**ked N/S bank exhaust manifolds, but it felt rather good for a few minutes.

The following morning we removed the loom to prevent it snagging, as we decided to reuse the 3.0 loom to simply do away with the surplus plug for the slushbox, and then realised that with the lump lifted up by about a foot, we had enough access to get the exhaust manifolds off - and then with a bit of pushing and pulling we could work the engine off the input shaft and out of the bay.

Loom off.



Engine out.



Empty engine bay.



Choice of new powerplants, though all likely to die in the traces.







The next morning we were joined by my mate Joe (possibly known to some BMW forumgoers as 'Munky', particularly in e30 circles?), who had come up from Plymouth to help out.

We removed the clutch and the nightmare that spanned three days began. There's a goddamn dual mass flywheel on the M60B30. Why is there a dual mass flywheel on the M60B30? It's unnecessary, irritating, and frankly, somewhat anachronistic - never encountered a DMF on anything pre 2000 MY until now.

Inside the DMF on the '93 M60B30, you will find nine T50 headed captive M10 Torx bolts, only accesible with a proprietary BMW tool, part number 11 3 380.

N.B: this changed in 1994, when BMW began using T60 headed bolts - something we nearly didn't realise before trying to find the right tool for the job!


Before we discovered this, we attempted to recreate such a tool using a standard T50 Torx bit, and grinding the hex points off the shaft to get it through the hole in the front of the DMF.





It got one of them undone, but in the process we managed to twist the points on the head the first time we used it, and wrecked it.

We then however went to Dick Lovett Swindon, and through my friendly tech, managed to get two 11 3 380 tools, for the princely sum of £13.somethingity something each.

They still did not do the trick, until we put the whole lump in the back of Ian's Mondeo, and let him take it away with him to use the compressor at work, a mighty 450lb-ft jobby. That also failed, so it's no wonder we were having grief with impact screwdrivers and 2' breaker bars.

Plan B then, off to T. H. White's, where he used an airgun developing a peak of 1000lb-ft of torque to remove them.

As you do.

Et voilá!




Once the DMF was off, progress was resumed.

Munky looking (presumably in a satisfied fashion?) at the DMF on the new M60B40.

...

Finally.



Joe having a crack at getting the gearbox on; it took a fair bit of jiggling to get the splines to mate.



Gearbox on, loom on, inlet manifold on, coolant rail swapped over, stat housing changed for the new item we bought for the M60B30 - no sense not using the new item - keeping the old M60B40 item as a spare.







Lifting it into position to drop it back into the bay;



Issues with supplied equipment? Perhaps just a minor one.



Joe manoeuvering the new lump into place, Alex looking happy for the first time in three. miserable. days.



Absurd angle to lower the lump in, required us repositioning the straps twice at various points of progress.



Engine pretty much slotted into the bay, with much heaving and shoving to try to squeeze it between the aircon pipework and the ABS module.



As I speak, the engine stands supported by the crane, with a jack under the gearbox drain plug.

Today we will refit the new downpipes and then lower the lump onto the engine mounts and prop shaft.

After that point, really it's just a case of plugging things back in, doing a few securing bolts back up, banging in the new 4.0 DME and off we go.

Once this whole thing is done and running, I will do a bit of a write up, and get Alex to edit the OP with a list of everything we needed for the conversion, hopefully this thread can help someone else afterwards!
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Awesome update guys... It will deffo help others, keep it up boys - we're loving this
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Looks fun. I just opened a small repair shop from my home. Its a large metal building with all the things I need to work. A guy I know owns a small used car dealership, and mostly all he sells are bmw's, mercedes, volvos, land rovers, and so on. He asked me to take on his service work and I accepted. Latley Ive been burried to my neck in european cars. Ive told friends, soon these cars will rub off on me and I will begin to speak with a british or german accent.....lol
Long story short. I just had a car recently come in for service from this guy. It was a 1994 530i touring. Orient blue...er...blau....
After servicing it, I absolutley fell in love. The dealer called an asked if the bmw wagon was serviced ready for him to pick up.i told him it was not leaving my shop, Im buying it.....lol
It looks very similar to yours. I love it. Here in the US, they are quite rare. Needless to say I wont be selling mine anytime soon.
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