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#1 (permalink) Old 07-09-2004, 02:54 PM
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hey guys, just registered here today. cool site i must say. i am looking to buy a bmw in the 1985-89 range, and i have always loved the 535i/is. i will be upgrading suspension immiediatley to bilstein sport shocks and new springs, along with some engine mods and new rotors/lines/pads for the brakes once i have the money. i want a fun car for fast mountain roads . are these fives good performers in the handling area?
i have seen small bimmers (e30s, 2002s) perform awesome (they can lose my new-suspension-less-wrx on twisties) and i want to know how these heavir machines do with new suspension. i like the e30, but it is too common for me and i like starting out with the bigger 3.5 liter in the five. how much should a good car with about 150k miles cost? for the iS and i? i like the styling of the is with its deck wing and i think it looks better all around(does it?) but if i am going to eventually upgrade the brakes and use BMP air intake, a new chip and exhaust, should i save money and not buy the is? my concern with that is the little things, like seats, exterior trim and so on....
if you guys can give me your opinions i would love that, thanks in advance.
also, anybody know how much this car wieghs?

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ok buddy, ill tell ya what i know. First off, the 535 weighs 3600 lbs stock. Shes got herself a fatt ass, but shes got some power in her legs. An IS is hard to find, so i would definitely get one. The BMP intake is iffy, as i had a powerflow intake and the k&n drop in just to settle the controversy. Right now im running the drop in, but if you can effectively shield the heat, go for the bmp. Taking out the hi beam for ram air has not been answered at all, despite the countless times ive asked on this board. The fives handle well, but mind you are not race cars. They have too much mass to effectively handle very nimbly, but i like the 5er because i love to drift, and the weight is perfect for me. I have an eat chip and that made the biggest difference. I just bought the triflo exhaust, and i love it, but i doubt it does to much. With all of my mods i estimate a 240hp/240tq. but the weight is a killer, and im trying to overcome it, but performance parts are few and expensive. If i were you i would wawit to a 540, and with around 150k, it should go for about 12k, depending on year. Good luck, and whatever you decide, your getting a bmw!

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Follow the advice of stuka.Mine is the same...............Buy a 97-98 540i.
Leave it with standard suspension but fit M5 front and rear sway bars.......your 535 wont even get close.
Mods are very costly with engine work.What engine mods did you plan do to if you got a 535 ??
Consider the fact you will NEVER get your money back after doing a host of mods to a 535.
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How do you mean you'll never get your money back? Resale, or just not enough hp gains for the money? Do the m5 sway bars make that big of a difference? I kinda want those now...

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Well, the information's flying thick and fast here, but not much seems to be sticking. The OP apparently asked about *two* distinctly different cars in that model year range. The '89-'90 535 was the E34 while the '88 and older cars were E28s. The E28 is significantly lighter than the E34. Having weighed my 'is on SCCA's scales at Road America a few weeks ago, I know it's right around 3300 lb. Remember, though, that it uses the same 3.5 liter engine and drivetrain. You do the math.

As for slapping on the M5 antiroll bars, that *may* be a good idea and it may not. Bars need to be used when a handling problem is to be addressed. It may be that the stock bars work just fine for the OP here. He won't really know until he drives the car near its limits.

That brings me to the final (actually, *first*) point. He's driving a WRX and getting his butt kicked in the twisties by 2002s and E30s. His car is *technically* more capable than they are. That means it isn't the car that's the issue, it's the driver. My advice at this point is to get into some driver schools and improve the *driving* skills before messing around with what is already a very capable handler (the 5 Series).

Nothing is more dangerous than someone who continually buys or builds more and more capable cars without the skills to reach and safely exceed their limits. What happens is that higher speeds and better suspensions bring sharper limits. A 2002 or a 320i has a fairly benign and recoverable cornering limit while an E36 M3 is much more difficult. Without the education and experience to deal with it, the M3 will 'bite' a lot harder than a 2002 and *I* do not want to be the guy sitting in the right seat when the OP finds this out. ghead

Go ahead and buy a 535 if you want, but don't spend any money on changing it until you've spent the first $1000 on *yourself* . Long after the 5er is gone, you'll still be a better driver for it.

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Ahy stuka,

I was speaking on a general basis.I find you can spend a heap of money on mods to a car,and when you come to sell it the mods you've done do not seem to increase the value to much.Thats we find down here in new zealand.
M5 bars on my 540 have made a huge difference to corneriand handling.I'm already on good rubber (Pirelli 235-17)........but the difference is huge.I had to drive a 99 M5 around a few corners to satisfy myself beforehand,but trust me on this one........its very very good. the rear bar is easy,but the front one you may need to get the dealer to do if you are not mechanically inclined.the front bar will take 5-7hours to do.
Trust this helps you.
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Ya, i used to work in a bmw shop so im pretty sure i can swap some sway bars without too big a problem. Later today im going to remove my right high beam and post whether or not it helps, as I havent received any feedback on the matter. All the race-tuned 5ers ive seen in eurotuner and such have removed them, so im hopeful it will make a difference. BTW, does anyone know any good sites that carry worthy turbo kits(not just the turbo, but the whole shibang ie. new valves, pistons etc) for a resonable cost, ~5k? i cant get dinans page to load, and i prefer the turbo to the superc.

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