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Sad day
In Today's too much rain and floods: a Honda civic and the rest did go through the water like nothing while myself along with a lexus, VW and a lincoln got stuck in a flooded road. Water filled my ash trays on the back doors. The sad part is my 528I was declared ENGINE DEAD by the mechanic upon arrival saying to me "my friend Bill: Engines do not and cannot compress water" I guess I have no body to blame but myself and I am left with 3 choices: brand new engine, rebuilt $5000+ or a junk yard motor......any advise other than not to go into water even though a Honda civic went through just fine right in front of my eyes??????????
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Damn dude, inside i'm crying.

This is why I parked my car today, it was really bad.

If your up to it, tear the engine apart completley...replace everything. grab an engine stand and get ready for a few weekends full.

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Thanks bud for sharing this with me, looks like I am getting a used engine for about $2000 plus $1000 labor, then going for a trade...this car will never be the same....so many electronics/sensors etc.
D3 thanks again
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sorry to hear about the car. i'll be watching out for puddles since my intake is mounted about 7 inches off the ground

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OH sad story...sorry to hear that

you'll find another BMW i'm sure of it....
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Million Thanks to your support on this and wish to share this rather long post.

TO MY BODIES: D3 LOS DTOOLS COSMOS BEELZIBUB DY540 and all members above
This is a long post....APOLOGY TO ALL

As Most of you know what happened and how it happened when I lost the engine on my 528. I beleive it is time to draw some useful comments on this post; that is to say: I hope none of you folks ever, ever, ever experience what I had experiened on Tuesday . To that end I wish to share the following open discussion:

1. Yesterday I went to a nearby Honda dealer JUST to see the design of the Air Intake on the Civic. That is the plastic piece/opening that runs before the Air filter box (remember I said the Civic went through the water I did not make). So I was curious to see the difference between both cars-- In terms of routing the piece and/or the direction/location of the tip of the air intake.

I noticed in the Civic they had a straight plastic pipe (looks similar to tree leaves blower extended to the left of the Air filter box BUT IT WAS HIGH UPWARD on the top/left side of the engine.

The 528I Air intake (the plastic part that is after the Air filter away from the throttle body) is directed slightly DOWNWARD BUT LOW very close to the bumper right in front of the left tire.

To me (and if I am wrong PLEASE currect me) such design is very ALARMING at best for many reasons; among those:

A. Why this big and clumsey box of the Air filter sits and waste that precious and roomy space on the 528??
B. Why extend the intake beyond the box in a slightly DOWNWARD position??
C. Why locating the mouth piece of the Air intake in such a low spot (relative to the 528 ground clearance) to do so BMW is welcoming (NOT SO DEEP) water into the intake and hence the engine!!!

My own conclusions? well here where I need your thoughts/help:

A. Having the BULKY Air filter BOX removed/cancelled all together and replacing it with either a smaller box or even a straight pipe fitted with a good air filter; pointing it slightly to an upward position will definitely gives it a higher intake when it comes to a higher water level.

B. This one is pure speculations (I need your comments/thoughts on this point) replacing that boxy filter with a straight fltered pipe may well increase or at least reduce the restrictions on the air flow to the intake and hence may boost more power. Again I am speculating here WHEN YOU THINK ALONG THOSE LINES YOU ARE ALWAYS FACING THE PROBLEM OF SHIELDING THE FILTER FROM THE HEAT OF THE ENGINE BUT My main point is to elevate the opening a bit higher with an acceptable design. ANY ACCEPTABLE DESIGN--ARMY HUMMERS STICK IT UP IN THE AIR AND SO THE BIG TRUCK.

C. My mechanic is talking about some type of chemical seized engine/or anti-seized engine type of a deal he poured the stuff into the engine; going to keep it in for 48 hours; then try to turn the seized engine manually. I got nothing to loose and I will know by this Saturday if it works. ANY COMMENTS ON THIS?

All comments are welcomed but please take it easy on me..I lost my car!!

I am NOT advocating a mod of a BMW boat. Just raising the mouth piece of the intake a bit higher may/can save the engine in those situations without affecting the quantity/quality of the air that gets sucked into the manifold. Honda for sure does it and probably other cars too.
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billB,
You're one of the few guys who's really mechanical incline which is great. Anyway, you're making some great points and discoveries. I'll be messing with my car this weekend. I'm sure the V8's are design this way as well.
In regards to your car, you have to move on! I've been there... acouple of years ago I crashed my Lotus Sprit... did I mentioned it wasn't insure?? (long story!)
ANYWAY, i'M SURE YOUR NEXT BEAMER WILL BE EVEN BETTER!!

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I'm really sorry to hear that your 528's engine is not with us any longer !

When they made the intake, they never thought of people going throgh water deep enough to hit it... it's pretty high off the ground as it is if you ask me, and it was just not meant to be driven through that much water.

I hope it all works out for you, and i wish you to get another bimmer !

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To Lot attendant: I do appreciate your comment, thank you.
To Los: my 1st was 1987 325is 2dr fire red camel interior stick. kept it topand top shape till 1997; my 2nd was in 97 this 528I kept it (oh well let me think) till last Tuesday? did I mention the sport package, 2 sets of 15",17" original rims/tires..anyhow thanks for the support you are a gentleman.
To Torque: Pleasure to hear from you BUT PLEASE check with others who know more than me. 528Is DO NOT HAVE A HIGH INTAKE. in fact I DO BELEIVE IT IS TOO LOW (possible the 540 intake sets higher?. I guess if the weather in your home state's differs from NJ's, you will be the exception. If not you have nothing to loose by asking a pro. DIRTY TOOLS on this forum, I beleive, is an authority in automotives. He helped me so much through Emails (great guy) DTOOLS IF YOU ARE OUT THERE GIVE US A FEED BACK ON THIS ISSUE PLEASE.
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BillB,

Sorry to hear about your loss.
I am from down near philly, we didn't get that much water down here.
Did the interior of your car get a soaking too?

Where were you going that you decided to try to get through that much water?
I am leary when ever water is up to my hubcaps.
Never know how much deeper it can get!
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Jersey City NJ. please read the above post just in case you want to prevent it. I have my own thoughts about the 528I intake location. Yes the 528i never meant to be a boat but for God's sake they could have elevated the plastic tip of the intake a bit higher than the left side of the bumper.
In winter I take off the 17" low profiles and use the stock 15" michelin to give a better chance (traction wise).
and yes when I went through the water it was up to the hub cabs when she died on me then (see the above post for the 528 location of the intake pre the air filter section) in about 10 minutes water flooded the car all the way to the tip of the back ashtrays/seats. I will trade as soon as i fix it. Walt I have to move on with my life but I loved my car sooo much..had it since 1997 fully covered but 3 months ago swicthed to liability when she got old...well it did last me till last Tuesday. Let me shut up for now and No more complains.
you guys out there on this forum are JUST GREAT thanks walt
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P.S. Just thinking loud with you IS THERE ANY MODIFICATION OUT THERE FOR the 528i INTAKE, AIR FILTER???? I LOOKED ALL OVER ...NONE. LET ME KNOW IF YOU CROSS IT.
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Originally posted by billB@Sep 10 2004, 01:15 AM
1. Yesterday I went to a nearby Honda dealer JUST to see the design of the Air Intake on the Civic. That is the plastic piece/opening that runs before the Air filter box (remember I said the Civic went through the water I did not make). So I was curious to see the difference between both cars-- In terms of routing the piece and/or the direction/location of the tip of the air intake.

I noticed in the Civic they had a straight plastic pipe (looks similar to tree leaves blower extended to the left of the Air filter box BUT IT WAS HIGH UPWARD on the top/left side of the engine.

The 528I Air intake (the plastic part that is after the Air filter away from the throttle body) is directed slightly DOWNWARD BUT LOW very close to the bumper right in front of the left tire.

To me (and if I am wrong PLEASE currect me) such design is very ALARMING at best for many reasons; among those:

A. Why this big and clumsey box of the Air filter sits and waste that precious and roomy space on the 528??
B. Why extend the intake beyond the box in a slightly DOWNWARD position??
C. Why locating the mouth piece of the Air intake in such a low spot (relative to the 528 ground clearance) to do so BMW is welcoming (NOT SO DEEP) water into the intake and hence the engine!!!

==>>The engine likes cold air, and lots of it. The more cold air you get into your engine, you get a horsepower gain. Theres a lot more cold air down low to the ground as compared to up high.

My own conclusions? well here where I need your thoughts/help:

A. Having the BULKY Air filter BOX removed/cancelled all together and replacing it with either a smaller box or even a straight pipe fitted with a good air filter; pointing it slightly to an upward position will definitely gives it a higher intake when it comes to a higher water level.

==>This is true, but you'll be getting warm air, and not as much of it, and thus lose horsepower.

B. This one is pure speculations (I need your comments/thoughts on this point) replacing that boxy filter with a straight fltered pipe may well increase or at least reduce the restrictions on the air flow to the intake and hence may boost more power. Again I am speculating here WHEN YOU THINK ALONG THOSE LINES YOU ARE ALWAYS FACING THE PROBLEM OF SHIELDING THE FILTER FROM THE HEAT OF THE ENGINE BUT My main point is to elevate the opening a bit higher with an acceptable design. ANY ACCEPTABLE DESIGN--ARMY HUMMERS STICK IT UP IN THE AIR AND SO THE BIG TRUCK.

C. My mechanic is talking about some type of chemical seized engine/or anti-seized engine type of a deal he poured the stuff into the engine; going to keep it in for 48 hours; then try to turn the seized engine manually. I got nothing to loose and I will know by this Saturday if it works. ANY COMMENTS ON THIS?

==>If it works, you may get away with your car running fine. Aside from the electrical problems you will face.


All comments are welcomed but please take it easy on me..I lost my car!!

I am NOT advocating a mod of a BMW boat. Just raising the mouth piece of the intake a bit higher may/can save the engine in those situations without affecting the quantity/quality of the air that gets sucked into the manifold. Honda for sure does it and probably other cars too.
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==>However, the design of that intake will smoke a honda
When I desgined my cold air intake ( Took 3 inch aluminum tubing, and rerouted my airbox down behind the foglight, I noticed a SIGNIFIGANT boost in power.
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Jersey City NJ. please read the above post just in case you want to prevent it. I have my own thoughts about the 528I intake location. Yes the 528i never meant to be a boat but for God's sake they could have elevated the plastic tip of the intake a bit higher than the left side of the bumper.
In winter I take off the 17" low profiles and use the stock 15" michelin to give a better chance (traction wise).
and yes when I went through the water it was up to the hub cabs when she died on me then (see the above post for the 528 location of the intake pre the air filter section) in about 10 minutes water flooded the car all the way to the tip of the back ashtrays/seats. I will trade as soon as i fix it. Walt I have to move on with my life but I loved my car sooo much..had it since 1997 fully covered but 3 months ago swicthed to liability when she got old...well it did last me till last Tuesday. Let me shut up for now and No more complains.
you guys out there on this forum are JUST GREAT thanks walt
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P.S. Just thinking loud with you IS THERE ANY MODIFICATION OUT THERE FOR the 528i INTAKE, AIR FILTER???? I LOOKED ALL OVER ...NONE. LET ME KNOW IF YOU CROSS IT.
Yes, theres a mod. Get someone with a pipe bender, and remove the airbox, take a cone sytle air filter, and replace the whole airbox/filter element with this new style setup... put it wherever you can get decent airflow.

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