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Old 10-10-2004, 02:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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so last my car's headlight (2001 civic) stopped working, so I drove my dads car - a new mazda 3s. at the end of the night i drove home my friend's '01 330xi because he was too drunk to do it himself.

here are some things that surprised me: granted that both my dad's car and the bmw were automatic (mine's a manual), I didn't notice that much of a difference in terms of acceleration/handling between the mazda3 and the 330. I took a look at curb weight and horsepower and the two are fairly comperable, which surprised me quite a bit. Granted the tread on the BMWs tires was worn and the Mazda's tires are new, I expected much more of a difference.

what surprised me even more is how user un-friendly the BMWs enterior is. I'm sure all of the features are easy to use once you've had the car for a bit, but I've driven at least a dozen cars in my life and I was completely lost when I sat down. I had no idea how to open the moonroof, didn't get the stereo right away, and was compeltely confused as to where the headlight switch is. Every other car I"ve ever been in, you always just twist the lever on the left of the steering wheel. Why not in this car?

Lastly, the dash is downright ugly. I'm a huge BMW fan, always have been, always will be, wanted to get one instead of hte civic but I"m 17 and need the reliability (ironic right). But that speedometera nd odomoter and everything remind me more of an '87 Cutlass Sierra Supreme than my Civic or my dad's Mazda. Why doesn't BMW update that? It's ugly!

Just my $.02

edit - scratch that, the hp is way more on the BMW. I was looking at a new 325 vs a new Mazda 3s
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Old 10-10-2004, 05:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Umm that’s bogus, you can't even spell interior. And I don't know what that guy did to his 330 but the e46 interior and dash are amazing for that class car. Also the cars of that era without "I-drive" are largely idiot proof
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Old 10-10-2004, 11:55 PM   #3 (permalink)
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hm weird, i got my car when i was 17, (now i'm 18 )

but only thing that i couldn't figure out was how to turn off the heat...

maybe your were drunk as well... Please don't compare bmw with mazda 3...

I know mazda 3 is a great car but its like comparing Gucci with gap
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Old 10-11-2004, 01:26 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Originally posted by Snowjob@Oct 10 2004, 01:13 PM
what surprised me even more is how user un-friendly the BMWs enterior is. I'm sure all of the features are easy to use once you've had the car for a bit, but I've driven at least a dozen cars in my life and I was completely lost when I sat down. I had no idea how to open the moonroof, didn't get the stereo right away, and was compeltely confused as to where the headlight switch is. Every other car I"ve ever been in, you always just twist the lever on the left of the steering wheel. Why not in this car?

Lastly, the dash is downright ugly. I'm a huge BMW fan, always have been, always will be, wanted to get one instead of hte civic but I"m 17 and need the reliability (ironic right). But that speedometera nd odomoter and everything remind me more of an '87 Cutlass Sierra Supreme than my Civic or my dad's Mazda. Why doesn't BMW update that? It's ugly!

Just my $.02

edit - scratch that, the hp is way more on the BMW. I was looking at a new 325 vs a new Mazda 3s
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What?!? You got to be joking me....I don't own a 325i....but I sure do know how to operate the basics of every car....it just takes some time...as well as patients....fiddle around with the stereo...you'll figure it out sooner or later. Or if all else fails...you can sing to yourself. LOL.

First of all....

1. To turn on the headlights in a e46 325....there is a turn dial to the left of the stearing wheel....it isn't that hard to find...if it has the optional fog lights...you just press the # button...and the green # sign appears on the speedometer...I'm dissapointed...If you knew and love BMWs that much why don't you like them....I can totally understand if you were talking about an e21, e30, or even an e36....but the e46s are freakin' nice...I love them

Where you are coming from?....I have no idea.



2. The moonroof/sunroof.....let me explain to you how to operate that in a BMW e46 325i....

There is a small black square up above....so that means you have to look up....and either A) Push it back...which makes the sunroof go back....or I can't remember...I've forgotten how to do the moonroof...since I never use it....but I think you push the black button up....or is it back once for the moonroof...and twice for the sunroof....anyway....those are ALL the options....

3. The stereo.....There is a circle nob that is the volume....you press the button and the radio turns on.....you can operate which station up or down by pressing the arrow buttons to the right of the screen....whichever direction you want to tune the radio. Of course there is the obvious AM/FM switch if you look hard enough you can find it. I sure did.

4. The heat....haven't had to use it YET....but I'm pretty sure...all you have to do is turn off the "Heat" button below the "COLD" Air button....and then turn the fan ALL the way down....where the temperature goes blank.

Well...if you have any other problems...please ask....

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The first time I sat down in a Bimmer, it took all of about 10 seconds to figure everything out. My wife used to own a Jetta and the two have a lot of the stuff in the same spots it seems.
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alanh, thank's for being so friendly. I'll be sure to run a spell check on all of my posts now.

I'm not saying that the controls are very difficult to understand, they're just not the same as those in the majority of other cars. I obviously found the knob that turns the lights on, but usually it's on a knob off the steering wheel. I figured out the radio and the heat too, but once again, I've usually seen buttons that have descriptions (not the blanks that correspond to a digital explanation as in the BMW).

As for BMW:Mazda Gucci:Gap, yeah that's for the most part true. I'd say there are two exceptions to that, the comfort of the seats (I really thought the Mazda's were nicer) and the dash. I still think that BMW dash is ugly. I've been in iDrive cars before and I agree that it's not much of a step up, especially at first, but the odo/spedo are really very plain and boring in the BMW. No other car, that I've seen in recent years, has plain white on black with plain orange at night. I'm not saying every car should have the interior of an is300, but still.. it's uninspiring.

hey, i still love bmws, or I wouldn't have so many posts on this forum
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It's all subjective. I love my 330xis interior, and i've driven TONS of cars and none of them handle anywhere close to my car. Sometimes to really tell a cars handling you have to push it HARD. I didn't know what an amazing car it really was until I had owned it for awhile.
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No other car, that I've seen in recent years, has plain white on black with plain orange at night. I'm not saying every car should have the interior of an is300, but still.. it's uninspiring.

hey, i still love bmws, or I wouldn't have so many posts on this forum
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See the similarities This is from a 2001 Jetta


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Japanese and German Stylings are very different
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I picked up my car at 8 pm and drove it home at night. I was in a hurry so I asked my CA to go through my orientation quickly. The headlights are automatic so I didn't have to deal with that.

Even at night having only driven a similar car once during a test drive a week earlier, I found it very easy to drive and use the controls. I have never been so at home in a car immediately after getting into it. I really can't understand how someone could describe the car's interior as "user unfriendly" because it was probably the easiest car I've ever had to learn.

As for the driving and handling, it's fantastic. I love getting into it every day and still look for reasons to go to the store, drive around the block, etc.
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I'm not saying that the controls are very difficult to understand, they're just not the same as those in the majority of other cars.
And that, my friend, is what makes a BMW a BMW. It's not just every other car. I don't think I could buy any other car, now that I own a BMW...
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Old 10-12-2004, 12:51 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It's a German vs. Japanese thing. The ergonomic sense just varies from one country of origin to another.

The controls on Japanese cars are very consistent. The lights on my wife's CR-V work exactly the same as on the Mazda 626 I had 15 years ago. German cars are the same way. Before I got my 330xi, I had an A4 and an A6. Going from the Audi to the BMW was dead-simple. Going from Japanese to German cars is a bit more of a transition.
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I don't think that showing the A4's dash and the Jetta's is a very strong argument since they are basically the same car.

That is true about the German vs. Japanese car thing though, I did'nt consider that. Though I think (I may be wrong) American cars (God forbid you buy them) are like Japanese, so I'd say its German vs. others. Also, German cars make up a fraction of car sales, so yes this minority does have its own unique style.

edit- Also, even the Jetta's dash is more ornate than the BMWs. If you compare the A4s and the 3 series dashes there really is a big difference - the BMWs is by far hte most plain. I gues it's a matter of taste but like I mentioned, eveyr other car in its class (and many in lower classes) have much more visually appealing displays.
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I don't get it.....

The BMW cockpits are some of the best on this planet....Maybe the sideline controls are aranged/labeled differently from a Japanese car....but who wants to sit in there Bimmer for a Japanese sensation...? Boring or plain dash....your not supossed to be looking at all the "Bling,Bling" in the cockpit!...Hence...THE ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHIN!

Spend more time in the Bimmer and it will start to make much more sence.


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What I meant to show with the A4 and the Jetta is that the light switches are in the same spot. Many other things are in the same spots. Even though they are designed differently, they are in the same location. The dashes look the same to me.
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