Some Of The Advice Given Here....

[juallhuce]

It's simply appalling to me that there are some guys here spouting off information like theres no tommorow. Let me first say, that I do NOT by any means know every single damn thing about BMW. That's just simply not possible. I found this site about two weeks ago. I browse a good bit and pipe in when i have time. This post is to warn you guys about some of the information you get here. There are posts like this---

"I have a (insert year and car here) and when I hit the brakes, i feel a vibration."

Answer--

"You need new control arm bushings. It happened to mine. Here is a place that you can buy them(insert link).


There may be another post giving advice on another POSSIBLE faulty component. But 99.9999% of the time, you're getting just a smidgen of possible explanations.
Heck, for brake vibration, there has to be at least 100 different things that could cause this. On a 7 series...believe this or not, it could be a programming issue!!
That said, YES I do realize this is the E46 forum.

The reason i'm posting this is because I'd hate anyone to go out and buy 400 bucks worth of shit that isnt going to fix the car. It's ridiculous. So, my rant is done. Be careful of the advice you read, you may be getting smoke blew up your ass.

[Q_BMW]

hey
i dont think ppl expect everyones advice to be 100% right on!!
its stuff that has happened to others and we just share our experiences here.
if they were that picky on getting the 100% right info they could just go to the stealership and pay the price for it!!

Q

[peterkulesza]

that is the most asinine stuff i've ever heard. the information about car problems i read in this forum that turned out WRONG in any particular case saves a ton of money and time. you just check for the possibility that the wrong may be right.

peter

['89 635 csi]

Without seeing or driving these people's cars, I'm pretty sure that they know that any info they get here can't be 100% right!

It's almost an insult to the people that post tech questions here.

[97alpineM3]

This place is full of good stuff... reason... this goes for all problems...

The problem.. is probably happend to many.. or atleast more than one... and maybe there is two different outcomes for what the problem is.. and what is needed to fix it.. but to the every day mechanic.. meaning the person who owns the car.. and searches for the problem themselves... this is very good information.. due to the fact that they wont just look for one faulty part.. or system.. but they will have different views to go about solving their problem.

Now.. if your implying that the everyday person who is on these forums trying to get help is so single minded that they take the first piece of information and run with it... then this might be true..

There are ways to go about solving problems with cars... mainly with a DIYer... there has to be information.. and they have to attain all of it they can ... before the troubleshooting can be complete and a problem that has a solution. One must not look for only one answer to one problem.. cars dont work that way as we know... many things tie into many other things.. and could cause any one of many problems.

Just my two cents... this argument can be looked at in many ways.. but yes.. it is true.. and yes I will agree with you that if a close minded researcher takes the first piece of information.. and nothing else from this forum.. he is likely to find it not true. Due to the complexity of these cars.

Regards,

Les

[TMac325is]

well youre not suppose to be 100% trusting with every single person you meet on the internet anyway. i always assume that everyone is a complete moron until proven otherwise. thats the safest way to get information from other people on forums

always do research and get things checked out before taking peoples advice. with that said there are some serious brainiac bmw gurus on this forum and others who do know what theyre talking about. and if they arent bmw gurus theyre probably better in other areas like audio or lighting or aftermarket stuff

[juallhuce]

Originally posted by peterkulesza@Dec 17 2004, 10:37 AM
that is the most asinine stuff i've ever heard. the information about car problems i read in this forum that turned out WRONG in any particular case saves a ton of money and time. you just check for the possibility that the wrong may be right.

peter

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I never said that the "wrongs" aren't right. Some cases, yes the advice given may be right on the money. You never know, because you can't see the car. True diagnosis cannot be done on the internet. No reason to get bent out of shape. What exactly is asinine about it?? And for what it's worth, Yes I am a BMW master tech.

[AIO]

Internet (including this forum) always gives me a general but vague idea about things. Of course, paid technicianS will have the definite answer but we can't call them for every minor thing, can we? I pay attention to what the MAJORITY says and does. Luckily, there are more honest people posting than dishonest/uninformed ones. Just try to listen to lots of people and follow the TREND. You won't be disappointed.

[peterkulesza]

Originally posted by juallhuce+Dec 17 2004, 04:02 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(juallhuce @ Dec 17 2004, 04:02 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-peterkulesza@Dec 17 2004, 10:37 AM
that is the most asinine stuff i've ever heard.* the information about car problems i read in this forum that turned out WRONG in any particular case saves a ton of money and time.* you just check for the possibility that the wrong may be right.

peter

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I never said that the "wrongs" aren't right. Some cases, yes the advice given may be right on the money. You never know, because you can't see the car. True diagnosis cannot be done on the internet. No reason to get bent out of shape. What exactly is asinine about it?? And for what it's worth, Yes I am a BMW master tech.

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read your post mano. again. stuff like: "apalling" spouting off like there's no tomoro". i actually do think that people who are misinformed post inof meaning well, so they should be thanked, not bashed. you can alwyas correct them as you see fit, just post your own stuff.

they put in the time and effort, you can too. i mean in specifics not just a general "i am warning you that this forum often sucks" kind of way....

you did bend me out a shape on this one...

['89 635 csi]

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I never said that the "wrongs" aren't right. Some cases, yes the advice given may be right on the money. You never know, because you can't see the car. True diagnosis cannot be done on the internet. No reason to get bent out of shape. What exactly is asinine about it?? And for what it's worth, Yes I am a BMW master tech.

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I don't know what everyone has done all these years without advice like that.

[billB]

Originally posted by juallhuce+Dec 17 2004, 12:47 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(juallhuce @ Dec 17 2004, 12:47 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>It's simply appalling to me that there are some guys here spouting off information like theres no tommorow.* Let me first say, that I do NOT by any means know every single damn thing about BMW.* That's just simply not possible.* I found this site about two weeks ago.* I browse a good bit and pipe in when i have time.* This post is to warn you guys about some of the information you get here.* There are posts like this---

"I have a (insert year and car here) and when I hit the brakes, i feel a vibration."

Answer--

"You need new control arm bushings.* It happened to mine.* Here is a place that you can buy them(insert link).


There may be another post giving advice on another POSSIBLE faulty component.* But 99.9999% of the time, you're getting just a smidgen of possible explanations.
Heck, for brake vibration, there has to be at least 100 different things that could cause this.* On a 7 series...believe this or not, it could be a programming issue!!
That said, YES I do realize this is the E46 forum.

The reason i'm posting this is because I'd hate anyone to go out and buy 400 bucks worth of shit that isnt going to fix the car.* It's ridiculous.* * So, my rant is done.* Be careful of the advice you read, you may be getting smoke blew up your ass.

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Originally posted by juallhuce@Dec 17 2004, 11:02 PM
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@Dec 17 2004, 10:37 AM
that is the most asinine stuff i've ever heard.* the information about car problems i read in this forum that turned out WRONG in any particular case saves a ton of money and time.* you just check for the possibility that the wrong may be right.

peter

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I never said that the "wrongs" aren't right. Some cases, yes the advice given may be right on the money. You never know, because you can't see the car. True diagnosis cannot be done on the internet. No reason to get bent out of shape. What exactly is asinine about it?? And for what it's worth, Yes I am a BMW master tech.

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Dear Sir;
While I do agree with some of the ideas in your post; I strongly disagree with you on others. Thus I am compelled to take the time and type the following long reply for free!

First: On forums you are defined by what you write. Welcome to the world of the internet. Poor words, misspelling, non-sense ramblings, and above all BAD attitude all points to the writers’ personality and ultimately to a portrait of a bad image…Does this bad image represent the true personality of the writer? The answer is yes, no, and perhaps. Yes it is all of the above. Common sense taught many of us this: If someone does not have the ability to write a correct statement then very few people will take him seriously. Is this fair? Again the answer is yes, no, and perhaps.

Second: on this forum, like any other forum, humans try to help humans only; and only if they can. This help may take the form of knowledge-or lack of for that matter- and/or past similar experience. It is a hit or miss type of a deal; now if someone like you wishes to subject another member’s opinion to BMWNA diagnostic test and scrutiny; then I’ll tell you right now: fold the books and this forum is not for you so you are better off getting the dealer’s advise. At the end of the day; the forum is a no-fee for service; not much complaint; how could we?

Third: yes when someone post a problem asking for help, he/she may get the wrong diagnosis/solution/direction/part etc; they are not committed to follow these directions under any circumstances; but surely they are committed to appreciate those individuals who took the time to read and deal with these problems hence posting an exclusive reply to it. Wrong or right-they decide, but to come on this forum post a problem, then aggravate someone to give you an answer whether (wrong and/or right) then start questioning these replies is rejected in its form and content. Simply put? It is an unorthodox behavior.
P.s. the members of this forum do depend on guys like you (BMW master techs) in getting it right the first time; I am hoping to see your posts and CORRECT answers in the near future.
Regards
Billb

['89 635 csi]

Originally posted by billB+Dec 17 2004, 05:58 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(billB @ Dec 17 2004, 05:58 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

I never said that the "wrongs" aren't right. Some cases, yes the advice given may be right on the money. You never know, because you can't see the car. True diagnosis cannot be done on the internet. No reason to get bent out of shape. What exactly is asinine about it?? And for what it's worth, Yes I am a BMW master tech.

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Dear Sir;
While I do agree with some of the ideas in your post; I strongly disagree with you on others. Thus I am compelled to take the time and type the following long reply for free!

First: On forums you are defined by what you write. Welcome to the world of the internet. Poor words, misspelling, non-sense ramblings, and above all BAD attitude all points to the writers’ personality and ultimately to a portrait of a bad image…Does this bad image represents the true personality of the writer? The answer is yes, no, and perhaps. Yes it is all of the above. Common sense taught many of us this: If someone does not have the ability to write a correct statement then very few people will take him seriously. Is this fair? Again the answer is yes, no, and perhaps.

Second: on this forum, like any other forum, humans try to help humans only; and only if they can. This help may take the form of knowledge-or lack of for that matter- and/or past similar experience. It is a hit or miss type of a deal; now if someone like you wishes to subject another member’s opinion to BMWNA diagnostic test and scrutiny; then I’ll tell you right now: fold the books and this forum is not for you so you are better off getting the dealer’s advise. At the end of the day; the forum is a no-fee for service; not much complaint; how could we?

Third: yes when someone post a problem asking for help, he/she may get the wrong diagnosis/solution/direction/part etc; they are not committed to follow these directions under any circumstances; but surely they are committed to appreciate those individual who took the time to read and deal with these problems hence posting an exclusive reply to it. Wrong or right-they decide, but to come on this forum post a problem, then aggravate someone to give you an answer whether (wrong and/or right) then start questioning these replies is rejected in its form and content. Simply put? It is an unorthodox behavior.
P.s. the members of this forum do depend on guys like you (BMW master techs) in getting it right the first time; I am hoping to see your posts and CORRECT answers in the near future.
Regards
Billb

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[juallhuce]

You know, I had this massive paragraph typed up defending myself with this and that. Then I remembered...I really don't give a fuck.

[bigred318]

hahaha this post is CRAZY! anyone that would take the first advice from some stranger off the internet deserves to spend 400$ on something they dont need... haha i come to the forums ask my question gain a few possible solutions. i then go to other forums (many) ask the same question narrow it down a little bit, without ruling out the others that seemed to weaken, then do a little more research (its the internet year 2004 and you drive a bmw, you will find everything you need) with the info i make a good choice, if i cant figure it out pay a professional, and then come to the forums and bitch about getting ripped off haha, i know whereyou were trying to come with this post... but you must remember not everyone knows every possible solution, so they throw out what the know wand hope others throw out more.. its a public forum

David

[jllphan]

juallhuce, you essentially leave more harm than usefulness with this thread.

the purpose of this site, is to share knowledge and learn. For that you make an attempt. But the knowledge sought is not who's a big moron, and who's a master tech! The last guy who came on here and said they where a master tech, couldn't even tell me how the voltage in BMW ignition systems differed so much with most U.S counterparts, so I guess not all techs are a great source of knowledge, unless of course he was lying.

BMW-forums.com is a place for one to take what's given, use his own noggin and make a better decision. So you are basically taking up space in a tech forum with needless commentary.

one of the e46 or global mods should delete this thread all together

BTW, BillB and 97Alpine... bravo