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#1 (permalink) Old 07-13-2005, 08:22 PM
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Hiya,

I have a 1999 E46 323iSE. It has been a great car, but now things are starting to go wrong...at only 50K miles!!!!

Anyway please help me if you can.....

The problem started around April when the car began to 'judder' - shake violently- as though she was stalling. Initially it was only at idle. Then this began to creep into the drive, particularly during acceleration where the car luched forwards repeatedly following gear change and as I accelerate up the revs. It seems to occur worst in 1st, 2nd and 3rd gears although it is clearly present in all 5. It happens across the rev renge up to about 3000 rpm and thus is really forcing me to rev hard. Anyway back to the story...This issue was rung in and BMW looked at the car - plugged it into a computer - and nothing was uncovered so they said keep driving it. By the end of the week the car broke down and I could not move it. It was towed and they changed half the car...to no avail. They replaced the drive plate, removed and installed both control arms, replaced the front and rear brake discs, checked the suspension alignment, adjusted the front and rear axels, removed and installed one front or rear brake caliper, replaced the fluid in the ABS/ ASC+T brake system, replaced the clutch, bolt, two wishbones, satz, hex nut , nut, clip, linings, two temperature sensors, brake pads and some other minor stuff!!! The bill was massive on a then 45K milage car. So as I drove away from the garage my son mentioned that he thought the same thing was happening although to a lesser extent. I told him he was talking crap...I just didn't wan't to believe it. Over the next week the same juddering effect became more pronounced and eventually....two weeks after the major overhaul I took it back to BMW, who having taken it on a test drive, said there was nothing wrong and that this was the nature of the car and it just had to be revved hard. I knew this was crap because I have driven BMWs since 1980 and I've never had one shake and rattle my bones this way!!! Anyway the 'symptoms' continued and I continued to take it back to the dealer with the same story. Recently, over the last month or so, the juddering symptoms have got much worse and this time a young guy at the dealer has finally agreed there is something wrong. The computer again records no problems so they are going to use an actual real mechanic to see what is wrong with my car!!!! WOW! Imagine that!

I was just hopping/wondering if any of you had had the same problems or had any advice on the situation. This is driving me wild, because having had a bad car crash 15 years ago I have chronic back pain and if the car continues to shake like this I will have to give her up....something I really don't want to do......


Thanks for your help!!!!
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If it happens at idle and while driving why did they replace all of those parts. If it's at idle it would seem to me that it would be either a fuel issue or possibly timing.
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Hi guys,

Thanks for the advice.....


Sadly I live in the U.K. and as far as I know (any legal experts please correct me) we do not have a lemon law over here. However I must say having read up about it, it seems like an awesome idea...and one that is right!

I really don't want to sell the car in bad blood because I don't think I`ll change it for another BMW...something I'm sure I`ll regret further down the line.... ...but it seems I may have too... ...the garage has had the car for three days now and they say, although they accept there is an issue, 'we haven't got a clue, sir' . I asked what they had done....'well, we stuck it on the computer and nothing came up' ! At this I went nuts and ordered their manager to personally oversee a mechanic looking at the car, which is what they have apparantly been doing for the last two days ! I rang to check up and they said that they still have no idea! used

I'm sure they'll hand it back and say, 'There's nothing we can do, but bring it back if it gets worse!'

This is the first time since 1980 that I have really come to dislike BMW...not because the cars is bad - it is awesome - but because I can't drive it!

This graphic really expresses how I feel right now!! ghead :

Any further help is really appreciated.

Thanks
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If it is happening at idle (i.e. car not moving) then it is an engine / drive train fault. Firstly, get it away from those arseholes at your stealership.

If it were me I would then start with new spark plugs.

If this does not work find a good back street garage of mechanic.
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Like PMB stated, I would also start with new plugs. At the same time, might as well replace the plug wires. I would then move to replace the fuel filter. What grade of gas are you using?
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I had a problem like that and it was a leaky plug wire. Your car doesn't run too well on 5 cylinders. Changed the wire... Changed my life. Just kidding. But it did stop doing it.

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why not take it to a tuner who has a "rolling road"

get them to give it a tune,,probably £100/150 pounds i know its a lot
but it will/should replicate everything that is happening at the revs that you say..
take the bmw techy with you or at the very least get/borrow a video and record the readings etc etc

dunno where you live,, but there must be a tuner somewhere near i hope

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Hi guys,

Thanks for all the help...I had a stern word with the dealer on Friday and they have assured me that they now know what the problem is and they will let me know and have it fixed today (Monday). When they ring to ask permission to do whatever I intend to make clear that if it doesn't work I will not pay!!

I'll let you know what happens
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Uh... so they know exactly what is wrong with it. Did they by any chance tell you what was wrong with it, since they are so certain they know? Sounds kind of iffy, to me. By the way it is tuesday is it working?

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I'm also curious to find out what happened. I also don't understand why they did all the other stuff when the problem you described was clearly an engine/drivetrain problem. They sound pretty clueless.


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yea every bmw technician goes to school for six months to throw parts at it. and for the plug wire issue. If you can show me a plug wire on an e46 that is exchangeable i'll give you my car with all the upgrades. maybe your thinking of the coils. There is a SIB for replacement coisl from Bremi coils to bosch coils. Because Bremi sucks. This is for 2002 and up. to tell if this has been done take the plastic cover off the engine. (the one that has the oil cap coming through it.) 2 10mm nuts then remove the coil by pulling up on the lock (only if its 2002 or later) then pul the coils off the plug out of the port and see if the coil is all black in color. if it is the SIB has not been performed. if they have a gray sleeve the they are the good bosch coils. if it does have the bosch coils i could not tell you where to go from there. If it is the coils it should have set the check engine light.
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