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#1 (permalink) Old 10-25-2004, 12:08 AM
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hey,

the engine on my new 325 died. it doesnt have the 2000km break in time on it yet, but i decided to do a top speed test and ended up going 215km/h and i have redlined it many times. after gunning it off a red light, the engine started knocking really bad and the engine light came on. do you think the dealer can and/or will see that ive been working the car hard and charge me for the repair?
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stuff like this is the reason there is a break in time....there is a very very good chance you can and/or will be charged for the repair

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Originally posted by mmGoDLiKe@Oct 24 2004, 10:08 PM
hey,

the engine on my new 325 died. it doesnt have the 2000km break in time on it yet, but i decided to do a top speed test and ended up going 215km/h and i have redlined it many times. after gunning it off a red light, the engine started knocking really bad and the engine light came on. do you think the dealer can and/or will see that ive been working the car hard and charge me for the repair?
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I thinks that's very possible. The car computer probably keeps the revs history somewhere on its memory along with dozen of other things. BTW, my max revs during break-in-time was 3500 rpm, not even 4500.

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Originally posted by mmGoDLiKe@Oct 24 2004, 10:08 PM
hey,

the engine on my new 325 died. it doesnt have the 2000km break in time on it yet, but i decided to do a top speed test and ended up going 215km/h and i have redlined it many times. after gunning it off a red light, the engine started knocking really bad and the engine light came on. do you think the dealer can and/or will see that ive been working the car hard and charge me for the repair?
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Oh you will definately be paying for this repair, they don't call it the stealer for a reason. Besides why would you do something so stupid?
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Ah the famous "break in" period is there for a reason, redlining it so early

You will probably have to pay for it
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Firstly, I have driven every car I have ever owned HARD from day one and they always seem to be peppier and have all lasted a long time. I have a new 330 and I feel nothing to rip it through the revs.

If it was me, there is no way I would pay for the repairs. Unless you signed a document stating that you would not drive the car beyond a specific point that is well within the cars capability (considering that it is governed), then I would contend that there is something wrong with the car. If you should not rev the car above 4500 RPM for the first 2000KM then they should set the governor accordingly. If the governor permitted you to rev it like that then there is something wrong with the car. Besides. I bought my 330 a month ago and when I asked the salesman about running the car, he said just get in and drive.

If you read your owners manual (page 120 in my book), they ask that you OBSERVE the following SUGGESTIONS. It is not mandated and the suggestion does not include the warning symbol.

I would also check the oil levels because, if the oil is low, the dealer has a lot of explaining to do.

If logic would prevail, maybe someone could explain to me why a new bearing in new oil will last shorten than an old bearing in old oil. Just a question

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XTREME has an excellent point(s)

dont worry about it, and if they push hard, u push hard, they should replace it.
tell the people, "your not the one whos paying for it, its BMW, what do u care"
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Firstly, I have driven every car I have ever owned HARD from day one and they always seem to be peppier and have all lasted a long time. I have a new 330 and I feel nothing to rip it through the revs.

If it was me, there is no way I would pay for the repairs. Unless you signed a document stating that you would not drive the car beyond a specific point that is well within the cars capability (considering that it is governed), then I would contend that there is something wrong with the car. If you should not rev the car above 4500 RPM for the first 2000KM then they should set the governor accordingly. If the governor permitted you to rev it like that then there is something wrong with the car. Besides. I bought my 330 a month ago and when I asked the salesman about running the car, he said just get in and drive.

If you read your owners manual (page 120 in my book), they ask that you OBSERVE the following SUGGESTIONS. It is not mandated and the suggestion does not include the warning symbol.

I would also check the oil levels because, if the oil is low, the dealer has a lot of explaining to do.

If logic would prevail, maybe someone could explain to me why a new bearing in new oil will last shorten than an old bearing in old oil. Just a question

Good luck
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thanks dude, those are some good points. i will definately keep that in mind when talking to the dealer.

i drove the car perfectly for the first 500km and after that i was like k screw this...i have all this power going to nothing, and i wanna test this out. so i did the car is in the dealership right now, and they havent said anything about it being my fault. apparently 2 cylinders are misfiring, and they are looking for a way to fix it as i type this. i think i have lucked my way thru another screwy situation :P i tend to get myself in a lot of those haha.

ill let you know how things work out.
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Originally posted by mmGoDLiKe@Oct 24 2004, 10:08 PM
hey,

the engine on my new 325 died. it doesnt have the 2000km break in time on it yet, but i decided to do a top speed test and ended up going 215km/h and i have redlined it many times. after gunning it off a red light, the engine started knocking really bad and the engine light came on. do you think the dealer can and/or will see that ive been working the car hard and charge me for the repair?
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OK, class, can you spell D-U-M-B-A-S-S?
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Originally posted by niktee+Oct 25 2004, 01:48 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(niktee @ Oct 25 2004, 01:48 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-mmGoDLiKe@Oct 24 2004, 10:08 PM
hey,

the engine on my new 325 died.* it doesnt have the 2000km break in time on it yet, but i decided to do a top speed test and ended up going 215km/h and i have redlined it many times.* after gunning it off a red light, the engine started knocking really bad and the engine light came on.* do you think the dealer can and/or will see that ive been working the car hard and charge me for the repair?
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OK, class, can you spell D-U-M-B-A-S-S?
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I also agree with Xtreme, when you buy a new car it is torturous to drive it slow for the first 1200 miles. If you choose not follow those guidelines I don't believe that the car should commence to breakdown immediately. I could understand if this behavior leads to losing 20,000 miles off the engine's useful life so that rather than lasting 200,000 miles it lasts 180,000 miles. That would be reasonable and would be a reason to follow the guidelines but there is no reason for the car to breakdown immediately when it has less than 1200 miles on it. If that was my car BMW would have to definitely pay for it and if I wasn't satidfied with the repairs they would have to replace my current car with a new car. No matter how I drive it I think it is inexcusable for it to breakdown after 1000 miles.
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The dealer can see how fast you've driven it, and can also see the RPM you've takin it to. You didn't sign a contract, but your user manual warns you of the break in period. This is NOT on your side. What IS on your side is that abusing it during the break in period shouldn't necessarily blow it up, although I suppose it is possible. It should just affect the engines performance for the rest of it's life. At any rate, good luck with it. Remember that they can see what you've done in it with your key, so don't bother lying.

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i agree. break in period determines how your car will wear over its life, not a set up platform for stress later. you want rings to seat, and other bearings to seat as well, but if something is " knocking" it was probably a failure of something, unrelated to the "break in " procedure. (ie recommendation)
sounds like you may have dropped a valve or something valve train related. or, if its a bad knock, it could be a rod knock, and that means engine .

let us know.

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Besides. I bought my 330 a month ago and when I asked the salesman about running the car, he said just get in and drive.
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When I got my 330ci like 2 months ago I asked the dealer about breakin and he said just get in and drive it. Been drivin'n it like I stole it since day one, and the car is lovin it. He said the the only cars that needed breakin were like the M3's, X5 and higher model cars with the higher compression engines which do require breakin.
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My salesguy told me the same thing, no break in. I looked in the manual though and there definately is a break in period. You can ignore it, but there will be consequences later in the engines life is my understanding.

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well tahts interesting...they have had the car for several days now and they have no idea whats wrong with it or how to fix it. they tried replacing the computer and that didnt help anything. ggrrrr i want my car back...they are now waiting for bmw to call them back and tell them what else they should try :S
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