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#1 (permalink) Old 01-01-2006, 05:48 PM
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i want slightly thicker oil

as the title says.....i am running 0w30

and i want some oil that is a little thicker when WARM

MY COLDEST TEMPERATURE WOULD BE -10C ~(max-usually never in the minus)
and my warmest temp is likely to be 30c...south coast uk.....was 38c last yr

the reason is this

if the oil is at operating temp..and i leave the car for 1/2 hr...when i start it up it has a 1/2 second of tappetty noise.....

but if i start the car,,,,stop it straight away b4 it fires up....then restart again and allow to run...i get no tappetty noise.....

so i reckon the oil is toooooo thin and is running away too quickly
and i reckon by starting it without firing up...i am making the oil pump work sooner

hope this all makes sense????

whats the answer zibby??

i am using castrol EDGE 0w30...used to be called castrol SLII longlife

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Hi Storme! All the best in 2006!
I personaly use castrol 5w/50 in my engine, it is a really good stuff for all outside temperatures and it is a factory fill for Ford Mustang Cobra.I change the oil every 12000km(7500 miles) or 1 year whatever comes first.I did oil analisis for castrool 5w/50 and after 12000 km it still kept more than 50% its original properties, this oil has same base as castrol TWS 10W/60 , which is recommended for BMW M 3 engines.I know you guys do not have this grade in UK, so I would strongly recommend for your car Shell Helix Ultra 5w/40 it is a really , really good lube, you will be happy with its performance and again you can also go with it beyond 12000 km.If you like castrol oils another good thing is castrol edge 5w/30, primary developped for Audi/VW cars, it is long drain oil and also perform verry well in BMW engines, but personally I am in favour of Helix(just my modest opinion)
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nooooooo! it looks like the lifter has enough left over oil in it so that it is quiet. if you let it sit it drains, and doesn not pump up (cos it may be dirty of feeling bad or whatever).
going to thicker oil will likely make it worse, cos it will have even more difficulty pumpin up.
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I can not say for sure, but these 0w/30 oils are known for doing this kinda problems, that is why I am not in favour of using any 0w/30 or 5w/30 oils off the shelf(except BMW 5/30) in E 46 engines. I heard lot of stories , when people switched to 0w/30 weight oils and after developped some noises like tapping or knocking on start ups.These thin oils are good in extremly low temperatures or for engines equipped in "valvetronic" systems like 745i. some european 316i, mini morris engines or new E90 series, but for moderate climate I would stick with some good 5w/40 or BMW 5W/30(softec TXT plus).
Pennzoil 5w/40(european formula) is an excellent 100% synthetic PAO oil , recommended for use in BMW engines or Valvoline 5w/40 synpower HC group III.
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hi


the oil is always changed every 6 mnths...in my case after about 4000 miles...my service indicator is about 14000 miles....


so i can be sure that the oil is of/still is good quality

it really is after it has been on a run..then is off for a while...then when it is still warmish...a restart will give a different start up sound.......if i prime the pump 1st..then restart it..it sounds great again


but rest assured guys...the oil is castrol edge 0w 30 and it is always new.no older than 6 mnths EVER


ps HAPPY NEW YEAR


PPS i only know oils like SHELL HELIX CASTROL EDGE DUCKHAMS OR DO U RECOMMEND THE OIL DIRECT FROM A DEALER??

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4got to mention 1 thing...


when the oil is cold...ie 1st thing in the morning...everything sounds great.....like a beemer should

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Every known brand full synthetic oil will do as long as it has BMW LL98 or LL01 and ACEA A3 specification(look back label on the bottle).
BMW high performance oil from stealership, has special additives pakage , that is why can be "pushed" 24000km(15000miles) or 2 years, whatever comes first.
Changing this oil every six months if you did not make at least 7500 miles is simply overkilling.Choice is yours as long as you stick to recommended spec., but stay away from 0w/30 oils in British climate.
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i have put the Shell Helix Ultra in...and will see what happens over the coming days

will keep you posted on the results

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Storme. You don't need a thicker oil unless you have an older BMW.
If it's fairly new, the Castrol edge 0w30 is the perfect oil. This oil has
the same specs as our North American Castrol 0w30 Syntec made in
Germany. It's an A3 rated oil which means it's HT/HS viscosity @ 150 C
is > 3.5. It's Viscosity at 100 deg.C is 12.2 cSt. This means that it is
near a 40 weight oil. It also has the BMW LL-01 approval. The 0w means
that it will not thicken up at extreme cold temps. like -35/-40 deg.C.
At temps around -20C to 0C these oils are actually slightly thicker than
a 5w30/40 weight oil. For any information on oil, check out the
bobistheoilguy.com web site and go to the forum section. Go to the
European oil heading and you will find all your answers.
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[QUOTE=Black2000328i]Storme. You don't need a thicker oil unless you have an older BMW.
If it's fairly new, the Castrol edge 0w30 is the perfect oil. This oil has
the same specs as our North American Castrol 0w30 Syntec made in
Germany. It's an A3 rated oil which means it's HT/HS viscosity @ 150 C
is > 3.5. It's Viscosity at 100 deg.C is 12.2 cSt. This means that it is
near a 40 weight oil. It also has the BMW LL-01 approval. The 0w means
that it will not thicken up at extreme cold temps. like -35/-40 deg.C.
At temps around -20C to 0C these oils are actually slightly thicker than
a 5w30/40 weight oil. For any information on oil, check out the
bobistheoilguy.com web site and go to the forum section. Go to the
European oil heading and you will find all your answers.[/QUOTE

This site"bobistheoilguy.com " is for "sickos" ,who have nothing to do , but turn whole universe around motor oil.0w/30 oils are good, especialy this european formula,but for extremly low temperature during the winter in Alaska, Minesota, Norway or Syberia not for Californian or English climates.
It is funny, because some people put this german castrol 0w/30 to american and japs cars which is dummy idea.
BTW BMW North America and Europe recommends for E46 engines specially formulated high performance 5w/30 oils year around ,or 5w/40 in warmer areas.Who gave you this information, that 5w/40 grade is for older engines?

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One more thing! HTHS @150* for this german made castrol syntec 0w/30 is 2.91cpp not 3.5 as you said, which means is not really suitable for BMW/Mercedes engines ,which require HTHS@150* more than 3.5 cpp.
This information is confirmed with Castrol USA and if you do not belive me , you can contact them by phone for confirmation.
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WELL I HAVE THE SHELL ULTRA HELIX 5W 40 IN THERE NOW...AND I MUST SAY,IT DOES SEEM SMOOTHER...and best of all...i dont get the noise i had as described before...

but i will give it a couple of weeks for the oil to breakdown a little before i cast judgement..but atm it is good



i also live in a warm climate..my lowest temperature is likely to be -4c...at the most.....and the warmest average tmp is no more than 25c.....very occasionally it has got to 38c but that was a freak weather situation,,and def not the normal....

i actually could probably go to 10w 50 without any hassle...i wont...just a thought zibby????#

but either way,,,this is oil better for my old 2000 318ci...m43 engine,,with variable servicing
ps the m43 engine is also in the old e36 318's


so yes it is quite an old design..even if it has the variable service indicator

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WELL I HAVE THE SHELL ULTRA HELIX 5W 40 IN THERE NOW...AND I MUST SAY,IT DOES SEEM SMOOTHER...and best of all...i dont get the noise i had as described before...

but i will give it a couple of weeks for the oil to breakdown a little before i cast judgement..but atm it is good



i also live in a warm climate..my lowest temperature is likely to be -4c...at the most.....and the warmest average tmp is no more than 25c.....very occasionally it has got to 38c but that was a freak weather situation,,and def not the normal....

i actually could probably go to 10w 50 without any hassle...i wont...just a thought zibby????#

but either way,,,this is oil better for my old 2000 318ci...m43 engine,,with variable servicing
ps the m43 engine is also in the old e36 318's


so yes it is quite an old design..even if it has the variable service indicator
Oh , come on Storme, 2000 318 european Bimmer is not an old design car, it is nice litlle "ultimate German machine"
I am glad ,that your engine`s sound improved.Take care!
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Zibby. First, the bobistheoilguy web site is not for sickos.
Second, you don't know anything about motor oil. BMW used
to recommend 40 weight oils in the past (15w40 mineral and then
5w40 synthetics in the mid to late 1990's). Now they recommend
the lighter 30 weight oils which meet the European A3 spec. This
A3 rating means the oil must meet the HT/HS viscosity of 3.5 cp
or greater. All 5w40/50 meet this of course but not all the 30 weight
oil's do. The 30 weight oils designed for North American & Japaniese
cars are energy conserving oil's with a viscosity of around 10 cSt @
100 *C. These oils have a HT/HS viscosity of 2.9 to < 3.5 cp @ 150*C.
The Castrol Syntec 0w30 (made in Germany) exceeds the European
A3,B3,B4 rating which meens it's HT/HS viscosity is >3.5 cp @ 150*c.
It has the same specs. as the Castrol Edge or SLX 0w30 in Europe
meaning it carries the VW 502 00, 503 00, 505 00 ; MB 229.1, 229.5
and most important BMW's LL-01 approval. You got the wrong
information from Castrol North America (USA). I called them a few times
myself and their so called tech. people didn't even know at the time
their 0w30 oil was imported from Germany or that the 5w40 Syntec
came from Belgium.
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