3-Series (E46, E90)Chat relating to the BMW 3-Series from 1999 to Current. Models include: BMW 316i, BMW 318i, BMW 318Ci, BMW 320i, BMW 323i, BMW 325i, BMW 330i, BMW 328 Ci, BMW 328i, BMW 325i/xi, BMW 330Ci, BMW 320d, BMW 330d, BMW 335d.
OK I am sick and tired of american made junk. Looking to get something german made. My only concern is mercedes is actually chrysler owned. I have read that mercedes was #1 in overall quality back in 1980 and since last year they have dropped to #26.
Qualities I am looking for in a new car.
1. No rattles!!!
2. Paint can't be easily scratched down to primer, like hondas
3. Must be reliable
4. When I take it to a dealer, I want a problem fixed, none of this we can't find a problem crap, live with it.
5. Fit/Finish, I don't want stuff falling apart after 2000 miles, taking it back to the dealer all the time.
So I am down to BMW/Mercedes, trying to stick to under $40K but maybe a little more. I was seriously considering a New Acura TL but those things are riddled with problems and I don't like the little amount of paint that is sprayed on. They chip or scratch very easy down to the primer or metal. Plus the TL is made in Ohio which could be the issue of build problems.
Please help since I have never owned a BMW or Mercedes.
Own a 2003 330xi. Absolutely wonderful, 25000 miles, no problems yet (knock on wood). Some of the service departments are absolutely ridiculous. They wouldnt be able to find their asshole with 2 hands and a flashlight!
if you want reliability, stay away from germany. imho, nothing made there can equal japan (or marysville ohio, or some us factory they make ricemobiles at). you just have to put up with the fact that you are driving an appliance, not a car. i had a nissan for 7 years (refridgirator white), added oil and gas. NOTHING broke, ever.
i had a vw passat (2000), which went to crap in 3 years. had a number of benzes (83 240d, 88 190 etc etc), same stuff.
of course, bmw will deliver unparallelled driving experience, way superior to the tl. the c class is a piece of bat guano, do not even consider it.
I had my heart set on a new Acura TL, still love them, but after reading the forums it seems they have a lot of problems with them. Not to mention that honda has problems with auto transmissions.
1. Headliners falling down
2. Rattles coming from, doors, dash,center console, etc.
3. Paint peeling off after only 2000 miles or so (reported by numerous people)
4. Shitty Bridgestone tires that flatspot (reported to be fixed)
5. Check engine light coming on after tacking over 5000rmp (firmware???)
Should I go on....????
I just don't see worring about this when I can go to BMW and get AWD. About the only thing that bmw does not have is the ponies that Acrua TL has. Not to mention that it is cheaper.
Before I bought my 325xi I started a similar thread on the Mercedes forum. My choice between the two cars came down to the dealer. The BMW dealer was up front and professional and the MB dealer still did business the old way. What that means is the BMW dealer put all the numbers nice and clear on a compter screen, while the MB dealer used the tired method of scribling numbers on a piece of paper running back and forth to the back room.
The differences in the cars. The BMW has tighter steering, stiffer suspension and more zip. The MB rode better but had less power. The C320 seemed about right, the C240 is under powered.
My 325xi has developed some wind noise that I need checked. I'm not sure if it is normal.
I think you would be happy in the long run with either car. The MB may have some initial problems but they have a rep for lasting 100 - 200K miles if taken care of. The paint on my 6 year old EClass looked as good as the day it was made. I've seen older BMW in the same shape.
Thanks for the info.
Chrysler has reported that MB has some quality control issues and is working hard to fix them. I also read that by 05 they will have paint on all MB that has nanotechnology built into the paint to give it long life.
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