Bummer - BMW Forum - BimmerWerkz.com
BMW Forum BMW Forum

Auto Insurance

» Featured Product
Wheel & Tire Center

Go Back   BMW Forum - BimmerWerkz.com > BMW Model Specific Forums > 3-Series (E46, E90)
Register Home Forum Active Topics Gallery / Showroom Auto Loans Garage Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Auto EscrowInsurance

3-Series (E46, E90) Chat relating to the BMW 3-Series from 1999 to Current. Models include: BMW 316i, BMW 318i, BMW 318Ci, BMW 320i, BMW 323i, BMW 325i, BMW 330i, BMW 328 Ci, BMW 328i, BMW 325i/xi, BMW 330Ci, BMW 320d, BMW 330d, BMW 335d.

BimmerWerkz.com is the premier BMW Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-29-2009, 10:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
n00b
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Tucson AZ
Car: 2000/BMW/323i
Posts: 45
Photos:
kohlers is on a distinguished road
Angry Bummer

I got my 2000 323i last Saturday and have enjoyed the nice ride in it. After work this Friday I was looking forward to a pleasant drive home. Turning the key the engine turned but did not fire up. Any suggestions.I finally called AAA and they towed (on a flatbed) to Little Germany here in Tucson. The mechanic in the shop told me one should hear the fuel-pump
when turning the key and said the pump probably has to be replaced. Now I have to wait until Monday because they were just closing up. What a BUMMER. I also have to replace the OAT (see other thread).
kohlers is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 08-29-2009, 10:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
OMFG another one!?
 
witeshark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Miami FL
Car: 89 E30 325i, 2007 Honda
Posts: 14,690
Photos:
witeshark is just really nicewiteshark is just really nicewiteshark is just really nicewiteshark is just really nicewiteshark is just really nice
Sorry to see that, hope the fix is painless!
__________________
BMW

Sig by zeaq
witeshark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2009, 11:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
2nd Gear Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: UAE - Gulf Area
Car: 530i-2002 & E280-2007
Posts: 459
Photos:
rashid is on a distinguished road
The fuel pump is a common issue not only with bimmers. What are the main reasons for making this to happen?
rashid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-30-2009, 12:17 AM   #4 (permalink)
n00b
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Tucson AZ
Car: 2000/BMW/323i
Posts: 45
Photos:
kohlers is on a distinguished road
Sure, happened to me in a Volvo and one of the two pumps in my Ford F150 also failed.
kohlers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-30-2009, 12:42 AM   #5 (permalink)
5th Gear Member
 
darkhorse737's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: San Francisco, CA
Car: 88 super ETA, 95 525i
Posts: 1,494
Photos:
darkhorse737 is on a distinguished road
Cool

Quote:
Originally Posted by rashid View Post
The fuel pump is a common issue not only with bimmers. What are the main reasons for making this to happen?
...running your car constantly on low or on Reserve.

notice that the pump is made up of a small motor that drives the pump; and the motor runs on (composite) plastic bearings. the bearings somehow rely on gasoline(fluid) for lubrication.

Deprive them of lubrication(the gasoline in your tank) and it's just a matter of time before the pump goes bad .

Last edited by darkhorse737; 08-30-2009 at 01:11 AM.
darkhorse737 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-30-2009, 10:03 AM   #6 (permalink)
drz
Administrator
 
drz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Tee Ex
Car: zhp
Posts: 12,129
Photos:
drz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to drz Send a message via MSN to drz
Quote:
Originally Posted by darkhorse737 View Post
...running your car constantly on low or on Reserve.

notice that the pump is made up of a small motor that drives the pump; and the motor runs on (composite) plastic bearings. the bearings somehow rely on gasoline(fluid) for lubrication.

Deprive them of lubrication(the gasoline in your tank) and it's just a matter of time before the pump goes bad .
Excellent answer! Thanks once again, darkhorse.
__________________
drz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-30-2009, 11:23 AM   #7 (permalink)
2nd Gear Member
 
bighorns's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: hi dez-SoCal
Car: 2010 335i M-Sport
Posts: 479
Photos:
bighorns is on a distinguished road
Arco gas out here in Cali will destroy gas tanks and fuel pumps. I only run top grade fuel in my cars because of the better additives and lower general maintainance costs over the life of the vehicle.
bighorns is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2009, 09:16 PM   #8 (permalink)
n00b
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Tucson AZ
Car: 2000/BMW/323i
Posts: 45
Photos:
kohlers is on a distinguished road
It was not the fuel-pump, but a blown fuse related to the power for ENGINE ELECTRONICS. It was located in the engine compartment in a box on the drivers side next to the fire-wall. Problem remains: Why did it blow?? Bill was $200. Seems steep for a fuse but it was not easy to find the problem so I have to bite the bullet.
I now know there are a lot of fuses. Anyone having similar problem??
kohlers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2009, 09:50 PM   #9 (permalink)
drz
Administrator
 
drz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Tee Ex
Car: zhp
Posts: 12,129
Photos:
drz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to drz Send a message via MSN to drz
It may have just been a one-time occurrence. In that case, it is all good -- that is what you want your fuses there for in the first place.

Which fuse blew? This will help us give you some ideas as to why it went out.
__________________
drz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2009, 10:36 PM   #10 (permalink)
n00b
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Tucson AZ
Car: 2000/BMW/323i
Posts: 45
Photos:
kohlers is on a distinguished road
My Chilton repair manual #18401 refers to the box I mention in post#3 above as the E-box and picture 3.3b on page 12-6 indicates the location of the Engine electronics fuse pack by arrow #2. A 20 amp fuse blew there. Why is the big question?
kohlers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2009, 10:56 PM   #11 (permalink)
Neutral Member
 
Dr1ve4fun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: AZ
Car: 1985 325e - 2004 Z4 3.0
Posts: 64
Photos:
Dr1ve4fun is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by bighorns View Post
Arco gas out here in Cali will destroy gas tanks and fuel pumps. I only run top grade fuel in my cars because of the better additives and lower general maintainance costs over the life of the vehicle.
There is a list on a site called Top Tier Gasoline of the stations that are called "Top Tier" It's more about using those stations gas then it is about the fuel grade. You should buy whatever type of gas your owners manual calls for. This was recommended to me by some mechanics.

QuikTrip
Chevron
Texaco
MFA Oil Co.
Conoco
Phillips 66
76
Entec Stations
Shell
The Somerset Refinery, Inc.
Kwik Trip / Kwik Star
Aloha Petroleum
Tri-Par Oil Co.
Turkey Hill Minit Markets
Mileage Stations
Road Ranger
Chevron Canada
Shell Canada
Petro-Canada
Sunoco Canada
__________________
Dr1ve4fun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2009, 11:24 PM   #12 (permalink)
drz
Administrator
 
drz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Tee Ex
Car: zhp
Posts: 12,129
Photos:
drz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to drz Send a message via MSN to drz
The only 20 A fuse in the E-box, fuse #3, protects the following circuits:

1. A/C compressor clutch relay
2. camshaft position sensors
3. crankshaft position sensor
4. DME main relay
5. fuel pump relay
6. leakage diagnosis pump (fuel tank)
7. mass air flow sensor
8. secondary air injection pump relay
9. thermostat

So it could be a fuel pump on its way out. I really don't think any of 1 - 4, 7, or 9 is to blame. You would have noticed something earlier. I don't know what 6 and 8 do, but guess they are suspects as well.

Did you notice anything strange that could be related to any of these systems before the fuse blew? Anything strange still going on? Is your CEL on, or has it come on recently?
__________________
drz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2009, 11:54 PM   #13 (permalink)
n00b
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Tucson AZ
Car: 2000/BMW/323i
Posts: 45
Photos:
kohlers is on a distinguished road
Thank you DRZ. Before this happened my CHECK ENGINE SOON was on and would come back after being turned off several times. The BMW diagnosis showed:
246-F6 Flow rate secondary air system too low. bank 2
245-F5 Flow rate secondary air system too low. bank 1
126-7E solenoid valve tank leak diagnosis pump, activation.

In addition, the OAT is missing (as well as both splash-guards) and -40F is shown.

The mechanic thought the missing OAT could cause the check engine light to go on.

But now after the fuse is replaced the light is OFF. Maybe the fuse was bad and finally blew???? I appreciate any more comments and/or suggestions.
kohlers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-01-2009, 12:25 AM   #14 (permalink)
drz
Administrator
 
drz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Tee Ex
Car: zhp
Posts: 12,129
Photos:
drz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond reputedrz has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to drz Send a message via MSN to drz
Hmmm. Is seems like we are on teh right track. Fuses don't generally just go bad. They aren't really wear and tear items. The best course of action is the one you are taking: diagnosing the problem that led to the fuse blowing.

I don't think the outside air temperature sensor has anything to do with the SES light In general the only thing it tends to affect is the reading on the OBC (at least that is how I know it to operate on earlier cars).

The codes you pulled seem to point to two of the issues listed in my last post:

- leakage diagnosis pump (fuel tank)
- secondary air injection pump relay

I don't know much about these systems.I'll check my Bentley manual to see what I can find out. Keep in mind that the fuel pump itself is still not exonerated.

I think that if you can check all three systems and they all check out fine then you should be okay. Maybe you had some sort of a surge at some point and that is why the fuse went out. If you find anything hat may need replacement/repair, then I think you will have found your culprit.
__________________
drz is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  BMW Forum - BimmerWerkz.com > BMW Model Specific Forums > 3-Series (E46, E90)


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
bummer curt powell Looking For 8 11-01-2008 09:18 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:16 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2
Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.