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Old 01-14-2004, 05:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ok, I don't know why but a few months ago when I got my 330i for my graduation present, I thought that I was getting the best in near-luxury performance/luxury. I'm not a person to really complain about this, but I found that the BMW really left things out once I really got used to driving it. Everyone one of my friends told me to pick the Bimmer it was the best in handling, acceleration, luxury and the whole nine yards. But now that I've had it, I don't seem to like it that much. The leather already stained (feels rough), the car rattles already and there seems to be a little too much plastic looking covers on the inside (didn't notice before because I just wanted to buy it). That's not the whole reason for me not to liking the car. I had to take it to get the engine inspected and the nearest BMW dealer (200+ miles from here) because the car wouldn't accelerate in the cold (I live in the NW It gets very cold in the winter and lots of snow). I just had a chance to test drive a 2004 Acura TL and was left quite impressed by it. Not only by the DVD-A System, but also just by the interior and exterior (looks a lot better in person). Driving it was also great even though most complain about it being FWD. I'm sorry, but I just don't see who spends there lives in a track getting the real benefits of RWD. I can't really drive my car w/o chains because of the amount of snow that's fallen and also because I'll loose complete control of the car. I regret getting the BMW although it is a nice car and most would like to have one. Has anyone ever gone through something like this?
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trade it in or somethin..and get a 330xi for snow..its AWD
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"Give it back"

Do not let them make you drive that thing.

You complaining is funny!

You do know that your car is not a 20 year old e30?

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Key phrase -- didn't notice, just wanted to buy it.

If you want to keep the car get a set of four snow tires and wheels. The Tire Rack will know what you need. Looks like you have the performance package that comes with SUMMER tires and are not recommended for snow.

If you prefer the TL go trade - but I would check out the Acura web sites first, as they have not been trouble free.
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I went from a '00 TL to an '02 325ci, and I love it! I really can't complain.

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Spence,

You have a good car. Get some snow tires and youll do fine in the snow. As with engine problems, BMWs make very good engines and im sure youll get everything fixed under warranty. With the rattling, try to isolate what it is and tell us. Some of it might simply be the leather or something along those lines (which almost all cars with leather experience).

I have the Audi A4 and like it but I kinda wished I'd waited for the new TL myself. People will flame you on this board for even mentioning a FWD car but in your case you would do better with a AWD or your RWD car. Believe it or not, your RWD does alot better in the snow than a FWD car. Of course my AWD car kicks butt in that type of weather but you get the point.

BTW - i do love your car. You gotta love driving to love your car!
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what kind of things did bmw leave out? it looks like you got the performance pkg with your 330i, so right there your asking for a harsher more sporty ride, the firmer seats, and the lack of luxury add-ons like the wood trim in place of the plastic looking pieces. i can understand how rattling sounds dont belong in a car like that, but it could possibly be something that slipped through a crack or fell behind a seat, dont think it reflects the build quality of the car.

Even though the bmw is far superior in performance and technology than the acura, that kind of stuff isnt really that noticeable in daily driving. So if you like the looks of the acura better and feel better driving it then take it, cause like you said your not buying a track car. Why should HP numbers, perfectly tuned and balanced suspension, communicative steering, powerful brakes, and rwd be your deciding factors, when things like DVD systems appeal more to you?

Although it sounds like if you initially wanted a bmw, you wouldve been better suited with a 330xi with premium pkg. Afterall the bmw is still a safer car with more class and a higher resale value.

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Ok, I'm a little slow so you'll have to bear with me. You got a kick ass car that I'd kill for, for your graduation and you don't like it??!! I got a pat on the back for graduation. Suck it up dude, a free car is a free car

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quite simply put , if you dont like it then trade it in....

it really does take some expert driving to learn how to drive RWD in the snow, believe me i live in toronto and well right now there is like a half foot of snow on the roads as we speak. it is however better than FWD in the snow.
trade your car in and enjoy.
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I hate to state the obvious, but perhaps the reason you can't accelerate in the snow, is because newer BMWs have "Traction Control", and it won't let your car speed up any faster then it has traction to do so. Try turning that off, and wrapping your car around a telephone pole like some jackass rice rocket. :nana

But seriously, I would get that checked out if your traction control is OFF, and you still can’t accelerate. Also, I would check around the car, and under your seats to look for any loose objects like the others suggested. A car that new should not have any rattles. (Other then the leather squeaking)

Hope you get your problems worked out, and don’t convert to the “rice side”
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Afterall the bmw is still a safer car with more class and a higher resale value.
Duh!! He hit the nail square on the head. Dont even get me started on the TL. I am very impartial on cars and usually give balanced advice, but right now I cant stand what Honda has done with Acura. Every single one is like some stretched out or tweaked homologization of an Accord with lots of little toys thrown in,and the NSX should have retired years ago. If you had said C-Class Mercedes, Cadillac CTS 3.6L, or Volkswagen W8 Passat 4Motion id be with you but Acura!?? Those things cant compare in resale and character to begin with and I wont get started on the rest. BMW has arguably one of the worlds best traction control systems coupled with the benefits of RWD. A FWD TL would not be your saving grace in the snow.

But go ahead and just trade it on a TL if you dont like it. This is the reason why dealers make a killing and my BMW dealer has a previous customer's 03 M3 with like 1000 miles for 54990, someones wife probably got it for him,he just didnt "like it" and probably lost about 5k on the trade in the process. used

It sounds like you just didnt do sufficient research for your part of the country and what you desired in the vehicle. The Sport package was a complete mistake there, a regular 330 would probably be just fine for you. Swap those tires youll probably be alright. I do have to admit though, I dont like that 04 Sport Package front bumper/air dam at all.
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1) Put some snow tires on. Your sport package has high performance summer tires from the factory.

2) If you like another car and this one was given to you, trade it. You won't loose anything on the trade-in loss/depreciation.

3) For give me: You sound like the type that fits the "let them eat cake" stereotype.

4) If someone GAVE me a 330 like yours, I'd be a little more grateful. I bought my 325i as my first new car after I put myself through a master's program.
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wow.. you guys are so freakin hostile every time someone mentions liking another car. CALM DOWN.

First of all, the Acura has much more power than the 330. Technology? It has traction control and a lot more luxury amentities than the 330..such as voice recognition on the DVD-A navigation system (which is rated better than the BMW navi), "Sun radar" climate control, blue tooth, plush leather, and etc. I believe the dvd player plays dvds with audio tracks on it, first of its kind. The TL also comes with sport suspension and a more reliable track record than BMW.

so looking at this, a mere CD player, new body trim and suspension, and RWD for like $7-8k more might not seem justified for some ppl. The ACURA is a nice car with a good resale value and good quality - marketed toward the family market. The BMW is more of a drivers car.

Most of you bench racers act like you guys actually race and drift on the streets everyday taking your BMW's to the limit. Please... some people like a car with a smooth and quiet ride, better value, more technology, with an occasional desire to go fast. Remember that there are different cars for different people.

I'm personally more of a 330 person myself...but if I was 5 years older, id hit the TL
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let this be a lesson to you. just because your friends and family tell you that a certain car is excellent does not mean that it will be the right car for you. you need to do your own research and test drive different cars before you can come to your own conclusion which car you will be most happy owning. the bottom line is that if you like the TL better, then sell your 330i and buy yourself a TL. not only will you be driving a car that suits you better, but you'll save either yourself or your parents some money in the process. also, keep in mind that BMWs have always been marketed as the "ultimate driving machine", and not the "ultimate luxury vehicle". what that means is that a BMW is designed for those who value the driving experience more than any other aspect involved in owning, driving and/or riding in a vehicle. i guess what i'm trying to say is that don't let others make you feel bad for not liking your BMW, because a BMW is not the perfect car for everyone.
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wow.. you guys are so freakin hostile every time someone mentions liking another car. CALM DOWN.

First of all, the Acura has much more power than the 330. Technology? It has traction control and a lot more luxury amentities than the 330..such as voice recognition on the DVD-A navigation system (which is rated better than the BMW navi), "Sun radar" climate control, blue tooth, plush leather, and etc. I believe the dvd player plays dvds with audio tracks on it, first of its kind. The TL also comes with sport suspension and a more reliable track record than BMW.

so looking at this, a mere CD player, new body trim and suspension, and RWD for like $7-8k more might not seem justified for some ppl. The ACURA is a nice car with a good resale value and good quality - marketed toward the family market. The BMW is more of a drivers car.

Most of you bench racers act like you guys actually race and drift on the streets everyday taking your BMW's to the limit. Please... some people like a car with a smooth and quiet ride, better value, more technology, with an occasional desire to go fast. Remember that there are different cars for different people.

I'm personally more of a 330 person myself...but if I was 5 years older, id hit the TL
i have nothing against the new TL, but for me, it's one of those cars where i say to myself "if only it was RWD." i do not agree that RWD can only benefit when you drive a car near its limits. the vehicle dynamics of a RWD is noticeably different than that of a FWD and is apparent even when driving at 3/10. having spent a couple of years behind the wheels of a RWD vehicle, i cannot imagine ever going back to FWD. in fact, the only FWD car on the market today that i would not mind owning and driving is the Mini Cooper, and that is only because the car is such a hoot to drive. but going back to the TL, the reason why it is so wrong for the TL to have FWD is because the engine in the car produces too much power for a FWD vehicle. the car may have the potential to go fast, but what fun is it if you are bombarded with massive torque steer, or worse yet, the traction control dials down the power to the wheels because the front wheels cannot handle the power?? having power is one thing, but being able to use that power efficiently and effectively is what, imo, seperates a good car from a great car.
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