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#1 (permalink) Old 03-22-2005, 08:06 PM
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Hello, everyone. I have a decision to make and I was wondering if you guys can help me out. I thinking of buying a 2001-2 330i 4dr or a 2004 Acura TSX. The thing is I don't know how reliable BMW's are. Do you find parts expensive, alot of electrical problems,or are they difficult to fix. I've never worked on a BMW. I am sort of leaning toward the TSX because I'm a tech for Honda. I can get parts for cheap, and they are easy to fix, but I really like the power and handling of the 330i. I don't know what to do...Please help....
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You came to a BMW forum so as expected I vote BMW. While the TSX is a fine car I am sure, I still like the BMW better. I can understand your leaning since you are a Honda tech but I am not a BMW tech and have not had to become one to own the car. I have had 3 BMW's over the last 10 years, the first I wrecked with 175K on the clock, the second lived to 225K when I traded it for my current one that has 106K and is still going strong. Parts do cost more but fewer of them are typically required that the average american car. Honda's are great cars, but BMW's are also. There is a reason that the 3 series has made Car and Drivers 10 best list for 14 years running (covering 3 body styles) drive one and see.
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to date other than maintence on these cars the only major thing i can remeber that broke has been the clutch slave cylinder on the 325 right after we bought it with 120k-ish miles on it

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BMW if u want ppl to stare and take corners at stupid speeds TSX if you want a well rounded car thats maintence free for the most part.

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Originally posted by Constantinos@Mar 22 2005, 07:06 PM
Hello, everyone.* I have a decision to make and I was wondering if you guys can help me out.* I thinking of buying a 2001-2 330i 4dr or a 2004 Acura TSX.* The thing is I don't know how reliable BMW's are.* Do you find parts expensive, alot of electrical problems,or are they difficult to fix.* I've never worked on a BMW.* I am sort of leaning toward the TSX because I'm a tech for Honda.* I can get parts for cheap, and they are easy to fix, but I really like the power and handling of the 330i.** I don't know what to do...Please help....
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I always put together a list of factors that I look for when buying a vehicle. If reliability is at or near the top of that list, definitely get the TSX. A BMW will never have the reliability of an Acura, it just won't. I've owned both and Honda products for me have been absolutely bulletproof, whereas my BMW has not.

With that said, I would take my BMW over my previous Acura any day of the week, despite it's shortcomings in the reliability department. I just feel the benefits of driving this car outweigh a trip or two to the dealer now and then. Others of course may have a differing opinion there. Let's be clear though, reliability isn't poor, just not up to par with Honda products.

In terms of driving enjoyment, I just can't picture the TSX offering the same driving experience as the 330 if your a driving enthusiast. FWD and a 4 cylinder w/ weak low end power, both characteristics of the TSX, really handcuff you in my opinion. After driving an Integra for 4 years, I could never go back to that. I think you'll find the low end torque of the 330 much more pleasing than a buzzy 4 cylinder that doesn't hit it's peak power until the very top of the power band. And handling would seem to favor the BMW as well - the near perfect 50/50 weight distribution in the BMW coupled with RWD makes for a fun time on a nice twisty road. Throw in a manual transmission and the Sport Package and your golden!

Anyhow, I could go on and on w/ comparisons, but I don't really see a reason to. They really are two different cars (both very good cars I should add) - I don't think you'd ever find a magazine doing a comparo of these two cars.....to many differences. The TSX is what it is - a sportier version on the Accord, and the Accord falls into the family sedan category, not the sport sedan category. Anyone pretending otherwise and thinking it's a viable alternative to a 3 series, well, I think Car and Driver (April 2003) said it best:

'So imagine Acura's predicament. Not only is the TSX, on sale this April, the first time the Honda subsidiary has admitted to going directly after BMW, but, well, it's not a very good copy, is it? Look at it. Its pointed nose protrudes more than the fashionable few inches beyond the leading edge of the front wheels. It has driveshafts in the front, but none driving the rear wheels. And in its haste, Acura has forgotten to add the fifth and sixth cylinders to the engine.'

Anyhow, good luck with your decision
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I would say the better comparison of products would be the Acura TL vs the 330

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Here is my opinion. Go with a BMW, however, if extended warranties are avalible, get that option. I don't know if you are planning on getting a new or used car. Either way, BMW + warrenty will be a far better can than the acura. BMW - warrenty, the acura is your better bet.
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I agree with the boys. Both cars are fine automobiles, although the 330 is on a different luxury level. I had a 2.2 CL when they came out and loved it, never had a problem. But no car I've driven is as fun as the BMW. I've had it 2 yrs yesterday, the wife even bought a cake to celebrate! Never did that before. I had 1 minor window problem and that's it. Plus if you buy CPO you're covered for a bunch of stuff anyway.

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I agree with the boys. Both cars are fine automobiles, although the 330 is on a different luxury level. I had a 2.2 CL when they came out and loved it, never had a problem. But no car I've driven is as fun as the BMW. I've had it 2 yrs yesterday, the wife even bought a cake to celebrate! Never did that before. I had 1 minor window problem and that's it. Plus if you buy CPO you're covered for a bunch of stuff anyway.
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Acura is a luxury Honda. BMW is it's own luxury class. I find working on Bimmers MUCH easier than working on my old Honda. Both probably have numerous computer parts and sensors, so maintenance costs will exist for either. I understand the Acura has a whopper of a warranty though, so that might sway me their way.

I had this same debate 6 months ago and opted for a 2000 328i sedan. Haven't regretted it yet.

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I had a '99 3.0 Acura CL and it was a nice car but the parts were not Honda parts and were more expensive and harder to find. The front tires lasted about 16,000 miles per pair. I had to add aftermarket camber adjustment bolts to get a real front alignment. It did not make sense to me that there was no way to adjust the camber on a stock CL. The steering had too many turns lock-to-lock.
I now have a 2001 325i. It is better car to dive and easier to work on. The parts are cheaper.
I'm not a tech but I enjoy fixing just about everything myself so I think my opinions are based on more experience than the average Joe. For point of reference my other cars are '95 318i, a '98 LS-1 Camaro, and a 2003 Chevy Trailblazer.
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Thank you for your replies...I see that you are all happy with your BMW and that they haven't given you much of a hassle.
I went for a test drive with a 2001 330i and the TSX. I first drove the 330i, I really liked the power and handling. I find the TSX to have a nicer interior though, but really lakced in power. I guess I've should have taken the TSX out first then the BMW. There is no comparison between 4cyl to 6cyl. I trully wished Honda would make a true compact sport sedan. Anyhow thanks again....I got some decision to make, but I'm leaning towards the BMW.
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Acura TL my freind, its a 6

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330's 225hp has faster 0-60 and 0-100 times than TL's 270 hp.

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Thank you for your replies...I see that you are all happy with your BMW and that they haven't given you much of a hassle.
I went for a test drive with a 2001 330i and the TSX. I first drove the 330i, I really liked the power and handling. I find the TSX to have a nicer interior though, but really lakced in power. I guess I've should have taken the TSX out first then the BMW. There is no comparison between 4cyl to 6cyl. I trully wished Honda would make a true compact sport sedan. Anyhow thanks again....I got some decision to make, but I'm leaning towards the BMW.
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I was really expecting my next car to be a TSX. I spent a lot of time hanging out here:

http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/index.php?s=

If you go there, you will find there are a lot of quality quibbles with the TSX. Mostly minor (rattles and such), but it's not perfect by any means. As far as the car itself--it's really lovely, and IMHO quite a deal especially with Navi. The more realistic comparison is with the 325i. I'm sure I would have been quite happy with the TSX, but when I realized that with incentives I could have a BMW for the same ballpark price (minus a couple of options, true), I jumped on the BMW--it's just that one step more "together" in my mind. The RWD wasn't really the biggest part of it to me--although the TSX is really smooth, I find the relatively low low-end torque to be a put off. Also, to many it may be no big deal, but the BMW has a 35-foot radius turning circle and the TSX has 40 feet--a real pain in congested areas.

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