The last few weeks have seen an increase in the number or dumb / uninformed replies to legitimate questions. If posters are not speaking from a position of knowledge on a particular topic, why do they assume that they know the answer and try to speak with authority...
Questions relating to parts and problems are often ones that the original poster will act on by spending time and money based on our comments here.
Due to reasons of personal and Forum decorum, (hi El Presidente!) I will refrain from naming posts or posters as examples. If you spend some time here, you will know what I mean; unless you are, in my mind "part of the problem"...
Some of these posters have hundreds or thousands of posts here, so the noob factor should have been diluted by now, but sadly not. :P
That poll I took on your ages was very telling; it shows almost half are under 20, and most of the rest are under 30. I enjoy the fact that most BMW owners are not Old F*cks like myself, but...
The increasing amount of bad information and smart ass / lame ass comments is moving this excellent Forum closer to useless. This makes me consider moving on to other Forums, and I don't mean moving to the E46 forum here.
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Sadly this topic is a problem in ALL public forums, not only here. Eventually, if you do move, you will run into the same ol' problem over and over again. With that being said, here's an idea of why these questions and comments might appear. Disclaimer: Take in mind i am speaking of myself.
Many, like my self, are new to the BMW scene. I spent 3 years in the Honda forums before i sold that car. In turn i purchased an e36. So when i come into these boards, i do try to search and yes i do find ALOT of information. Is it useful? Not really when you don't know squat about BMW's or the terminology associated with such inquiries. That doesn't excuse some lame post though ! I do admit that there are members that do ask pretty absurd (sp?) questions when the answer has been posted more times than i can count. IE: grey side skirt removal.
Originally posted by okczy21@Sep 13 2004, 03:43 PM this topic you started is about as useless as everything you were talking about, if you wanna decrease the amount of stupid posts think before you start one to
it's exactly what your doing that he is talking about. in what way did your reply contribute to a solution of the problem? did it offer feedback? sure, but nothing useful.
many of the regular members here know this is true and saying it aloud is in no way wrong.
try making a warning message or email notification when you join the boards to remind you to search for answers before bothing everyone with the same old questions over and over. they've probably been answered before, just take the 5 minutes to search the old posts and read up before just stopping in for 2 seconds to ask again and leaving.
we're all here because we love our cars. being so, we should learn about them first hand or from prior knowlegde rather than just asking someone else because you don't care anough to research.
now im not saying if one day your riding along and all of a sudden your clutch goes limp and when you try to shift and won't go into gear that you should jackup the car and start unscrewing parts rather than asking. but if it's something like: "i just bought my 97 <3 series>. what are some starter performance upgrades?" then just take the time to look.
these boards are filled with knowledge. bump old posts if you want, rather than starting a new one; at least then you will have done more than half of the new people joining.
Hmmmm. Sounds pretty stupid IMO. But if its the way you 'older' guys think. You should make your own forums and only allow the members you want on that board. You cant stop people from expressing what they feel no matter how absurd or stupid it may sound or be. Its PUBLIC forums, not the 'only the people that know all about BMWs' forums. Forums are for question + answer + discusion, it doesnt matter how many times different people ask the same question, those that are willing to help out answer, but those that are talking smack saying, 'omg you dont know what a bumper is' are the problem. Not everyone knows how to search for their stuff alot of people like to ask questions rather than search. Now, personal attacks or insults are a different story. Those who have insulted or threathened someone should have some sort of 3-day ban, where there not allowed to veiw on the forums. Ive been moderating forums for about two and a half years. Been there done that. ( btw im 19 if your wondering. ). If the admins of these forums are willing to grant people moderator rights, or get 'active' moderators, I would be glad to fill in a position. :wink
:edit: to docrobot, No one is asking you to read the information posted within threads, its your desicion to read the info. If you think somethings useless why talk about it or, listen to it. Just ignore it and listen to the good info. No one is asking you to stay here, and frankly I really dont care if you do or not. You cant supress someone for having the right to say what they want.
i will admit i have been a problem before, not searching as much as i should and such, but i also come with some knowledge and can help noobs' but i agree the posting situation here is STUPID, i say we should have "the its raining" thread open for the people who must whore, but that thread it awesome and tight, but anways this is kind of random too i guess, i just agree with everything you said and hope this forum can get back on track!
this whole thread has become an example of the said behavior.
Sin, in your first post, you are correct. Posting a question is one thing, and should be done. But you hit the nail on the head with your sideskirt example. Another one is ellipsoids. Jesus christ, how many threads are started within a day of each other on the topic? A simple search, or even reading a few pages of topic titles generally yeilds the requested info.
okcrzy21, stfu. Seriously. I haven't seen a useful post from you in awhile. Take your own advice.
Ecian, there are numerous things thats tell new members to search, but a good bit don't. Further notices would just be redundant. A substantial number of people do view the FAQs, but many still do not.
BMWguy, you are right that the problem does not just lie with new members. That will be changing. Any outright flames will simply be deleted.
Risky, you didn't type enough for me to really respond, but im responding to everyone. So how was your day?
Bigred, Word. that is all, my brotha.
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Hello. New guy here hoping I'm not one of those annoying members you guys abhor, detest and basically regard with horror and loathing-BBs tend to bring them all out. If so I do want to say sorry if I've posted some redundant if not useless posts. In my defense, I have to mention that I am a first time BMW owner and just got an awesome 328. Can't start to explain how excited I am to have it and find out more about it. This excitement is probably contributing to my "thread-based babbling". My wife keeps telling me to shut-up already. I must say though, that these posts, and in some cases bold-faced flames, may just be exacerbating the problem by giving this particular forum a very hostile personality. As I mentioned, I am very excited and thrilled with my most recent purchase and am very interested in meeting/chatting with people that share the same excitement I am feeling. The last thing I really want is to try to join a community of intolerant members.
I agree with BMWguy and el pres. I'm new to owning/driving BMWs and don't appreciate some of the negative comments directed toward "noobs". I've gotten really useful info that's saved me a lot of grief, even on a post where it was suggested I do a search (re:brake light failure warning). Both search and post resulted in different and important info. INcidentally, I'm 36 year and freaking loving my beemer, thanks to some of the solutions offered on this forum.
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