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Old 11-30-2004, 03:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have a 325is and dont egt me wrong I love it, but alot of times BMW's get a bad rap it seems, Being way to expensive for what their worth

and people go to say they are unreliable

so what is good about bmw's that far exceeds other cars

Ive heard from others that
-better quality metal and paint
-better built engines, with better metal-Not sure if this is true since yall say alot about bmw's engines cracking and stuff, maybe im wrong
-obviously tight handling
-pretty good for touring
-luxury or course
-comfortable
-styling

anyone else got any facts or agree or disagree or got anything else?
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Old 11-30-2004, 03:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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they are well made german cars... they run USUALLY into very high miles... well made all the way around... great handling (some) even the boats stil drive great and luxury smooth ride etc... everything you would want from a cadillac and a "street car"

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Old 11-30-2004, 03:55 PM   #3 (permalink)
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true true, my old 84 bmw has 230k miles but even fords and stuff get this, I think, maybe not.

but is it true that they use stronger metal than say a taurus or honda or something like that, for both the engines and the frame.

ive heard this but not sure if it is true
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Old 11-30-2004, 04:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
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umm i hear people refer to bmws as "tanks" meaning they can get hit or be crashed and you are pretty safe.. this is probably do to the way they are built the quality of metal etc....anyways any car specailly like a honda can get to 230k... its how much money you have to put into the car to get it there... my friends bmw is about to cross into the 300 zone... and he hasnt put much money it at all new clutch tune ups... and control arm.... oh yeah fuel pump a few years ago...

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but remember too.. bmws are some kind of super car.. they have lemons... and just becuase its a bmw doesnt mean it wont break down... what ihate the most is when people hear bmws they automatically think the fastest car out there... (the people that dont know about them that is..)

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I think the big thing is quality.
If you want a better quality car you are going to pay for it.
I work in the automotive industry and there is quite a difference between what domestic manufacturers want and what import manufactuers want.
Tolereances are much tighter on imports which equals more money.
Just take a look at the smaller details like fit and finish, seam lines and overall build quality.
Then take one out for a ride and you'll really feel the difference.
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I would personally put this in the off topic. But as far as agreeing/disagreeing with you lets see:
THe only reason why I think anyone would have a bad rap about bmws is that they believe is not worth the money. Take the new e46 325i for example, it's MSRP is around $29,000. This is pretty much almost the "cheapest" base model you could get. By cheap I mean lowest cost next to the 323. Now if you look at the specs, (0-60 in 7s and so forth) For this, you could be on your way into getting an EVO VIII (msrp at 28000). This great car does 0-60 in about 4.8s, which is well in m3 territory. But that's all people look at, numbers. They don't look at the bigger picture such as build quality, comfortbility,and overall drivability. Yes they are not the fastest thing out there but they provide the best "all around" feature. Keep in mind that these cars are the ones of the only few expensive car brand that get driven on a regular bases. Next time when you get into your friend's car, just look around and compare.
Then again, how many girls would go for a guy with a mitsubishi as oppose to a BMW.
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yeah and do you know cars such as the wrx and evos cruisin speed is about 65.... the 3 series such as m3 is 110 haha

By crusin speed they meant... the high speed in which the car still drives good... good means smooth safely etc... evos are made for the short distance etc bmws are made for autobahn and german highways.. high speeds with comfort and safety

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Just take a look at the smaller details like fit and finish, seam lines and overall build quality.
Then take one out for a ride and you'll really feel the difference.
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well the company does so much for the drivers, the cars are real driver's cars, is there a FORDCCA?, and also the engines, some of the best in the world, my friend had a 4.6l gt mustang, 225 hp out of a 4.6l v8, what is that,

check out the bmw engines of the year, no american company got any of the awards, for any group

http://www.ukintpress.com/engineofth...nners/3_4.html

http://www.ukintpress.com/engineofth...ners/2_25.html

also did i mention BMW has won the most engine of the year awards, then any other company
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actaully there are as many or more groups like bmwcca aroiund for fords such as mustangs etc.... but yes that is something that not all car companies have

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I don't get it, how did the s2000 engine fair so low? (look at the second link) That engine is pushing out a lot for its size.
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specailly with the cars that it was up against! well besides from the 325... but damn

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wow, haven't been in the forums in awhile...miss all you guys...I'm diggin this debate though...


Of course we are all gonna be biased to our wonderful BMWs But the term "German engineering" actually speaks for itself. German engineering has always been immaculate when it comes to pretty much anything. German engineering is why the Germans were pretty damn close to kicking our asses in the World Wars. In a way...BMW's are a history lesson. The symbol itself is derived from the way propellors of German fighter planes would look while in motion (at least what I heard, which is a nifty little anecdote).


Regardless...I have driven a lot of cars in my life...a lot of really good cars. My family has a Hyundai Sonata, a Ford Windstar (both pretty new), and my 96 BMW 318i...by far...the technology I see in my car alone, and its quality of craftsmanship by far blows both of those cars away. The other two are in and out of the shop for engine lights and warning lights every other day. I have had maybe one problem on my BMW and it was time for its maintanence anyway. Don't get me wrong, many cars are very very good, but like someone mentioned earlier, what the companies strive for may be totally different.
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yeah and thats from your 318 im in the same boat my 318 is nicer than most peoples cars.. then last weekend i sit myself in an m3... and dear god

Bottom line who ever starts an arugument like this to any of us bmws owners tell them to sit in an e36 m3, and even drive in 100 yards and they wont question you again, it knocked out every single one of my thoughts of a wrx for a long time!

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