What are the major differences - BMW Forum - BimmerWerkz.com
3-Series (E36) Chat relating to the BMW 3-Series from 1992-1999. Autodoodad Specific models include: BMW 316i, BMW 318i, BMW 318iS/ti, BMW 320, BMW 323, BMW 320, BMW 324, BMW 325, BMW 328.

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
#1 (permalink) Old 09-09-2004, 03:49 PM
1st Gear Member
 
MrChance's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 143
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
MrChance is an unknown quantity at this point
(Thread Starter)
328iS vs. M3

I know this may look like a stupid question to you guys, but I am new to BMW's in general and aside from more horsepower, I am not sure I know all the differences between the two. I would rather find out the right info than go about the forums being an ass with the wrong information.

More power. (I know)
Upgraded exterior. (I know)
Upgraded suspension?
Upgraded brakes?
Upgraded interior?

What are the major differences?

Three Words: More Cow Bell

Member of the "My last BMW had 462k miles on it and still ran like a monster so I bought another one" club.
MrChance is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
#2 (permalink) Old 09-09-2004, 04:16 PM
Threadkiller
 
bitcore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: High Point, NC
Posts: 2,907
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
bitcore will become famous soon enough bitcore will become famous soon enough
brakes: yes, larger rotors & bigger pads
interior: seats, some have really really nice seats. Other interior differences are mostly just styling.
suspinsion: yes, the bushings are tougher and last longer, rear shokmounts don't fail as bad, I'm sure a few other things I'm unaware of, and some things may be exactly the same. I'm not too sure about shock absorbers, they may be stiffer. I think the springs they use are stiffer and shorter also.


The major difference between a regular 3 series and an M3 is a higher tolerance in the parts that they use. MANY of the engine components are of higher quality, better suspinsion bushings, varrious other lightweight components...


bitcore is offline  
#3 (permalink) Old 09-09-2004, 05:28 PM
Science Roolz!
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Indianapolis, Indiana
Posts: 7,043
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
SHAHAB323IS is a name known to all SHAHAB323IS is a name known to all SHAHAB323IS is a name known to all SHAHAB323IS is a name known to all SHAHAB323IS is a name known to all SHAHAB323IS is a name known to all
Send a message via AIM to SHAHAB323IS
ok this is the 1,748,472nd time someone asked this question, not to be rude but you should try the search feature, it is very usefull and if you are new to bmw's, it will be particularlly helpful to you

2011 Mazda2
1990 Mazda Miata
SHAHAB323IS is offline  
#4 (permalink) Old 09-09-2004, 05:31 PM
Been here a while.
 
97alpineM3's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Virginia
Posts: 5,375
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
97alpineM3 is a name known to all 97alpineM3 is a name known to all 97alpineM3 is a name known to all 97alpineM3 is a name known to all 97alpineM3 is a name known to all 97alpineM3 is a name known to all
Send a message via AIM to 97alpineM3 Send a message via MSN to 97alpineM3
M3DUDE that had to be the smartest thing you've said to date... congradulations... you made my day.. thank you.

Les


1997 E36 M3 1990 E30 325i
97alpineM3 is offline  
#5 (permalink) Old 09-09-2004, 05:37 PM
Science Roolz!
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Indianapolis, Indiana
Posts: 7,043
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
SHAHAB323IS is a name known to all SHAHAB323IS is a name known to all SHAHAB323IS is a name known to all SHAHAB323IS is a name known to all SHAHAB323IS is a name known to all SHAHAB323IS is a name known to all
Send a message via AIM to SHAHAB323IS
Quote:
Originally posted by 97alpineM3@Sep 9 2004, 05:11 PM
M3DUDE that had to be the smartest thing you've said to date... congradulations... you made my day.. thank you.

Les
it made my day knowing that i made your day, and yes i do have smart things to say, i just say stupid stuff in the lounge, where people shoudln't really care

2011 Mazda2
1990 Mazda Miata
SHAHAB323IS is offline  
#6 (permalink) Old 09-09-2004, 08:47 PM
Keep it Copacetic
 
///M Power's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: St. Louis, MO ||| Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 9,481
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
///M Power has a reputation beyond repute ///M Power has a reputation beyond repute ///M Power has a reputation beyond repute ///M Power has a reputation beyond repute ///M Power has a reputation beyond repute ///M Power has a reputation beyond repute ///M Power has a reputation beyond repute ///M Power has a reputation beyond repute ///M Power has a reputation beyond repute ///M Power has a reputation beyond repute ///M Power has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to ///M Power
ACtually most people are ignorant in asking their questions so this members specific question eally isnt that abd at all. stop bitchign at people and attempt to contribute.

I dont believe their is camber on the 3 series, and the 96+ M3's handle better than the 95. Also the 95 m doesnt have camber.

The m3 has bigger sway bars also.

And a obvious answer is the M has larger rims which do help a little.


1995 BMW M3 Turbo - Dakar/Black
///M Power is offline  
#7 (permalink) Old 09-09-2004, 09:11 PM
Been here a while.
 
97alpineM3's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Virginia
Posts: 5,375
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
97alpineM3 is a name known to all 97alpineM3 is a name known to all 97alpineM3 is a name known to all 97alpineM3 is a name known to all 97alpineM3 is a name known to all 97alpineM3 is a name known to all
Send a message via AIM to 97alpineM3 Send a message via MSN to 97alpineM3
Ok if your talking about camber... your not exactly right... but on the righr path...

BMW wont admit that they have adjustable camber on these cars... but they do. This is rather difficult to convey via the internet.. but I will try.

The front strut on E36s connects to the hub in three places with three bolts. Two are at the very bottom of the strut and bolt directly through the strut into the hub, perpendicular to the direction of travel.

The third (and this is the one I will be talking about) is parallel to the direction of travel, about 4" above the other two, and passes through two tabs on the strut and mounting flange on the hub. The holes are machined to fit snugly around the OEM bolt. However, the "crash bolt" (which replaces the upper OEM bolt) is a slightly smaller diameter and allows for a mm or so of play between the strut and hub. This slop is what permits the approx. 1/2-degree camber change.

So with this knowledge... if you replace that bolt.. you gain the ability to shift from .5 deg camber change.

This is a big deal to BMWCCA due to the stock class wanting BMW to reconize this bolt (that you can buy through BMW) as a stock camber adjustment.. Thus allowing them to have a +/- 1/2 deg camber adjustment.

This part number is rather hard to get.. but from my best knowledge is... either one of the two...

07 11 99 00 58 7 or 07-11-9-900-587... its rather difficult for sure due to how this "crash bolt" came about. A lot of people are still waiting for the tech bulletin varifying a part number. BTW the nut for this bolt should be P/N 07-12-9-964-661 which is a M12 x 45 nut..

Yes the M3 has larger sway bars..

So.. how do these "larger" wheels have to do with better performance... rotational inertia say's otherwise....

In other words.. I want your take on how larger wheels help a little...

Les


1997 E36 M3 1990 E30 325i
97alpineM3 is offline  
#8 (permalink) Old 09-09-2004, 09:21 PM
You Can Has A Custom Title!!
 
Kevin325i's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 2,613
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Kevin325i is an unknown quantity at this point
Send a message via AIM to Kevin325i
Or you can use a washer in there.

Kevin (President TBEA)

"WAAAAAAARRRRRIORS, come out to plaaaaay."
Kevin325i is offline  
#9 (permalink) Old 09-09-2004, 09:25 PM
Been here a while.
 
97alpineM3's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Virginia
Posts: 5,375
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
97alpineM3 is a name known to all 97alpineM3 is a name known to all 97alpineM3 is a name known to all 97alpineM3 is a name known to all 97alpineM3 is a name known to all 97alpineM3 is a name known to all
Send a message via AIM to 97alpineM3 Send a message via MSN to 97alpineM3
Where exactly would you put that washer... I know you have to get two - four washers to fit with the new bolt.. but never heard of just using a washer.. due the existing length of the bolt there isnt enough room to lengthen the both with a washer...

Please explain.. cause in my head.. that has no possible way of working.

Les


1997 E36 M3 1990 E30 325i
97alpineM3 is offline  
#10 (permalink) Old 09-09-2004, 10:29 PM
You Can Has A Custom Title!!
 
Kevin325i's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 2,613
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Kevin325i is an unknown quantity at this point
Send a message via AIM to Kevin325i
I've been too lazy to look more into it that a washer on the bolts you speak of. It's probably too short to work, but the stuff I've seen is just adding a washer in there. You could probably just go to a hardware store and get new bolts.

Me thinks we're talking about the same thing and I'm confusing myself.

Kevin (President TBEA)

"WAAAAAAARRRRRIORS, come out to plaaaaay."
Kevin325i is offline  
#11 (permalink) Old 09-10-2004, 06:23 AM
Been here a while.
 
97alpineM3's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Virginia
Posts: 5,375
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
97alpineM3 is a name known to all 97alpineM3 is a name known to all 97alpineM3 is a name known to all 97alpineM3 is a name known to all 97alpineM3 is a name known to all 97alpineM3 is a name known to all
Send a message via AIM to 97alpineM3 Send a message via MSN to 97alpineM3
Yes... probably... these bolts.. "crash bolts".. you can pick them up from your dealer... for, I think less than five dollars... I'm almost positive.

Les


1997 E36 M3 1990 E30 325i
97alpineM3 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  BMW Forum - BimmerWerkz.com > BMW Model Specific Forums > 3-Series (E36)


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome