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Old 11-28-2004, 04:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Has anyone attempted the E36 engine swap into an E30 as layed out in project orca by zionsville auto? If so id like to hear how long it took and the degree of difficulty. Im gonna do it with a 1993 vanos 325 engine if i can find a good donor, and then hopfully supercharge it if itll all fit properly.
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It might take a little fabrication with motor mounts... and such things as that.. but it should fit pretty well... zionsville has good stuff..... try asking in the E30 forum too.. they might know.

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Old 11-28-2004, 07:07 PM   #3 (permalink)
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yeah i have never heard of anyone doing the swap on this forum! ... but then again we dont have to many e30s and im not in there a lot.. however theres plenty of other places on the net that could easily help ya! Hope you can find something!

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Yes it is possible, many people have done it. it fits in very nicely with a decent amount of room infront of the engine even if you keep it an inch or two off the firewall. and you dont need as much manifold clearance since the intake manifold on the m50 engine comes out the at a more 90 degree angle than the m20.

M-technik-3 (hes on these boards) did it to his e30, he more active on the e30 forums www.r3vlimited.com if you want to hit him up. there are also ALOT of people who have done the swap over there.
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Zionsville are a bunch of good folks, they built my car.

There is a guy that shares my mechanic who has performed this swap, I'll try to get some info for you.

If you can, find the M52 as opposed to the M50, it shouldn't cost you much more, just may be a little more dificult to find. Well worth it though.
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i prefer the m50 but that is just me...

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yeah lol, why would u prefer a 325 engine over an m3 engine?
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is the M52 just an m3 engine from an e36? What years did the M52 come out of? ive heard that putting that one in can be a little more difficult for some reason, i cant remember why they said though. But ya any information would be super helpful, i do have my project orca cd already now i just need a good donor engine.
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No, the M52 is not an ///M3 engine. It is merely a more updated version of the 6 cylinder powerplant designed for the e36 platform.

Offered in the 1996 models, it gained only a few hp, but immensely more tq. It posesses much more power throughout the entire powerband, and 0-60 times are living proof.

Like I said, they shouldn't cost you much more, just might be slightly more difficult to find.

BTW, yes the ///M engines would present more difficulty in pulling off the swap. Both the S50 and S52 engines would be much more difficult to drop into an e30.
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So was the M52 when vanos was introduced or is that entirely different? Also ive heard that those are OBD11 which supposedly not as good cuz i wanna make a race car outta this and want the most power possible. How difficult is it to do the OBD11 to OBD1 conversion? How much difference is there in the torque exactly? AHHHHH I KNOW NOTHING!!!!
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why do i prefer it... because i do... just something im a fan of that engine, i mean i like the 52 also.. but if i wereto put an engine into a e30 it would be the 50 by far

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whups, ur right, got all my engine's screwed up, s52 is m3 rite?
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So was the M52 when vanos was introduced or is that entirely different? Also ive heard that those are OBD11 which supposedly not as good cuz i wanna make a race car outta this and want the most power possible. How difficult is it to do the OBD11 to OBD1 conversion? How much difference is there in the torque exactly? AHHHHH I KNOW NOTHING!!!!
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VANOS was first introduced to the e36 cars in 1993, so it wasn't anything new for the M52 until 1998 when the M52 got double VANOS.

The M52 gets only a few hp over the M50, but enjoys more than 20 ft/lbs of tq.

The OBDII-OBDI conversion is pretty simple other than the DME and harness. Zionsville Autosport sells a complete kit {CLICK HERE}. It adds about 28hp to the M52.
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Originally posted by bigred318+Nov 29 2004, 01:47 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bigred318 @ Nov 29 2004, 01:47 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>why do i prefer it... because i do... just something im a fan of that engine, i mean i like the 52 also.. but if i wereto put an engine into a e30 it would be the 50 by far

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