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3-Series (E36) Chat relating to the BMW 3-Series from 1992-1999. Autodoodad Specific models include: BMW 316i, BMW 318i, BMW 318iS/ti, BMW 320, BMW 323, BMW 320, BMW 324, BMW 325, BMW 328.

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#1 (permalink) Old 08-21-2005, 11:26 AM
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I'm looking into either a 318 or 325. and I was wondering what the speed differance is. Cause everyone on here talks about how the 318 really really slow. Are the 325s quick.. Just a new guy thanks for any help.
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i got a 318 and it is pretty damn slow, so if i were u i would go with the 325 or 328 u would b more satisfied.
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Are you planing on street racing the car? If so then you really shouldn't even be looking at anythng less than a M3. If you are just going to be driving the car, the 318i in the 5spd variety is fine. If you even plan on auto-x'ing the car, the 318i is pretty competitive in H-stock (for SCCA). Looking into a 325i, they are not that fast when compared to other cars you could spend the same amount of money on, in either buying or buying and modding. So if you want fast and the furious, look else where, if you want good transpotation, the 318i 5spd is the way to go, if you want to spend the extra money in all aspects of the car, fuel maintaince ect. then go for the 325i. It really depends on what you need/want out of the car.

Is there a noticable speed differnce, yes. Is it worth it? Not in my opinion.
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I'm looking for a car that will get me back in fourth to school basically.. but my dad has a 944 porsche. He aslo has a 944 turbo.. And I'm really loking for something that will take his 944 but not be as fast as the turbo. and it is important that the car is fun to drive I imagine it will be by the way everyone talks on here. something quick but not insane fast. I don't need to be doing 160 mph. I just want a car that is quick. something similar to the 944.. Any help is appriciated. Thanks
And I'd like to have something that will make most of the ricers look bad.. I hate hondas and toyotas. they make me sick
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The 325 or 328 aren't even going to fit the bill for what you want. You are talking about M3 territory. Or modded 325/328. Don't get a 318 then, but there are better options out there, unelss you have a good bit of money to spend.
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I drive a 318i daily and I can't count the number of times I've passed cars faster than mines including 325i 328is M3 M5 745il...It's not that I'm racing...but no one is really racing...so the fastest cars on the road round here are the cars that has the most impatient or drunkest drivers in them.
Also cars slower than mine have passed me...heck people on foot have passed me on days when I've been in traffic.

My advice is a 318i is a good car, that is in fact cheaper to own and more reliable than the bigger engine car. I would say for a HS student a 318i is just fine especially if you don't want to waste money on maintanence and gas that could other wised be saved up for college, or when you get ready to buy a real nice new car (do I hear E90).

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There is a car that i've been lookingat that is a 325 is... With a M3 power train. is it gonna be similar to an m.3 I think it has m3 suspension too. or is it just gonne be a 325 with a big motor and no handling.. (What is an E90) ???? The car is onl-y 7400 so... What does everyone think. ??
What are those better options in your opinion... ?
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I would never buy a car to drive daily that some one else had done an engine swap to, unless I knew the mechanic that did the swap.
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OK, I have to partially agree with TheKid here. Buying a car that has had a great deal of modding or a powertrain swap could be asking for trouble. They may not have done the job right, could have cut corners, or the parts they swapped in may not have been in good condition. Do you know the people who did the work? Do you know the person who owns the car now? If you have problems, will either of them help you out? By the way, that would be something to get in writing, if possible, but they would also be insane to agree to that. In any case, you could be buying a never-ending project.
...On the other hand, if the parts were in great shape, or rebuilt pryor to installation, you could be getting a great deal, as you would basically have an M3. I know some purests here will disagree, but if you put the tranny, engine, driveshaft, diff., suspension, steering rack, and all other associated parts, into any properly repaired/prepared E36, what you get is pretty much an M3. Sometimes (in the case of the famous M3-powertrain-into-a-318ti swap) you end up with a product better than an M3. Also, for $7400, that's not bad. The big questions I would have are:
-How many miles are on everything?
-Did they rebuild the engine and tranny, or at least change all the seals and do a thorough inspection?
-Has the suspension been swapped out for the complete suspension from an M3?
-Has the steering rack been swapped? The steering ratio on an M3 is quicker than any other E36.
-How many miles have been put on it since they did the work?
-How old is the car that recieved everything, and how many miles are on it?
-Do they have reciepts for any rebuilds or rebuilt parts that they bought?

All this information is pretty important if you want to make a good, informed decision about this car. I had a '95 318i, that is now a '95 E36 4 door with no engine, tranny, or driveshaft. It is sitting at my local Auto Hobby Shop (Great benefit of being military) waiting to be cleaned up and prepped for receipt of the M3 powertrain, suspension, and other misc. stuff I just pulled out of a '95 M3 yesterday. The 318i was great to drive, and handled excellently, but due to a bit of poor maintenance (not by me), the head gasket blew and my motor went bye bye. I had already bought the M3 in hopes of rebuilding it (wrecked lightly), but now I have a frankenbimmer project.

As far as buying a Bimmer for yourself, you need to really consider what you want and are willing to pay for and deal with in the long run. The 318 gets pretty decent gas mileage and can be pretty peppy. But it lacks in power compared to any of the six cylinder models, unless you supercharge it. (Downing Atlanta, around $4000 gets you about 180 wheel HP) For autocross or SCCA, it's great. Has almost perfect 50/50 weight distribution and handles wonderfully. However, it will get wiped all over the pavement by a 944 turbo. Plus, there really aren't a lot of mods available for the 318 engine. The 325 or 328 will get you more power to start with, but will also be more expensive to maintain and fill up at the pump. However, there are plenty of parts and upgrades available for the 6 cylinder Bimmers. Insurance will also be higher, and handling isn't quite as good as the 318, but the power is greater. Top speed is higher in these also, partially as a result of the differential used. The 318 has a 4.4 to 1 diff, (I think, 4.-something at least on the autos) making it great for acceleration, but somewhat limiting is top speed. Then again, if you want to make a really really quick M3, drop in an auto 318 diff and see how fast you can span 1320 feet (1/4 mile). Rear diff ratios for the 6's are in the 3's. And the M3, well... It's awesome, and has a bit more power and better handling than the other 6 cylinder models, but fuel mileage will suffer even more, and generaly speaking, almost any part on the car is at least 10% more expensive than a non-M part. So, if you want cheap transportation and plan on driving long distances, but don't really care too much about being really fast, get the 318. If you want a little more power and about 10 times as many tuning options, but don't mind the higher maintenance costs, get the 325 or 328. If you have a toilet in your house made of fresh stacks of twenty dollar bills and use benjamins to light your cigars, get the M3. Really though, if you can afford to spend the extra, and want a bit more power and better handling, step up to the M car. Either way, don't be afraid to ask any questions, and keep us informed about what you do. Always great to hear about another happy BMW driver.
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u wont beat a porche or a fast little jap that easy!

i based my purchase on milage, due to the fact that i couldnt afford much and same as you i am a student i didnt want to spend heaps on maintenence, gas wasnt too bad as i wouldnt drive overexcessively, so i got a 6cyl 2l because 6cyls have done less work than 4cyls over the 12/13years, but i hear u cnt really get a 320i in the US!

if u want a racing chance get the 325i, if u just want a cool car get the 318i! as long as its manual you'll have fun!

i rather do up a car myself, then i know what's been done and put in. if some1's already done up the car who knows how they treated it, its always better to buy a stock car from a woman, then u know the car will be ok, but make sure she has a husband to have done the necessary oil changes nd such

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HMMM.... 318 sounds awesome...But you guys speak like they are slower than hell.. I wanna be faster than my dad 944 naturally aspitated car. It runs about 160 Hp... What kinda bolt on mods would I be able to get to get me about 170hp.. or get it to do abotu 140.. My his turbo is out of this world ... I'd love to have a forced induction but .. Mechanical nightmare.. If I got a 325 it would ahve to be a 2 door I had moochers.. And if I got a 4 door that is 3 more people sayin.. ERIC ... TAKE ME HOME please.. I hate that. What will give a 318 some pep.. Thanks all. oh yea.. What is alot of miles on a 318??..
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318i are alot of fun for there handling. Add a SS brake lines; dinan or TMS performance chip; UUC short shift kit; and a uuc strut bar. Add those to the car and you should have a car with enough pep to impress girls and hold your own on the road. In the end you spend enough to buy a 325/328 but since you save so much in gas you have enough money in your pocket to have a good time.

A good year to look for is a 94/95 must have a manual no exceptions.
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5 spd is the only way to go... See the main reason that I got outa minitruckin is becasue 1 my truck got stolen I got it back and it was beat to shit.. But there are a bunch of kids at my school that talk all kindsa shit about there cars.. They drive your typical Neons that have mods to get abotu 150 horse. and saturns that are shit. all kindsa people just running there mouth.. And me being that type a guy want to go fast and make them all say man I want that car.. I know it sounds like I'm a stuck up bitch. But you know everytime you see someone look at your car your thinking oh yea it is mine bitch. just admit it your all cocky inside lol.. But is this 318 stock gonna keep up with these neons or even my dads 944 ... j/w I wanna be able to truck it when I need to but yet .. handle too ... sounds like a bimmer thing... Cause my mom says no porsche for me ..
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Then install an alarm most e36 are prewired so its a simple plug and play.

Yes with chip upgrade it will beat neons and saturns and civics and your average ricers. Yes it will keep up with your fathers porsche if you guys stay with in 20 mph of the speed limit.
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how much will that chip run me .. And when is it time to say that car has too many miles to get.. what about lowering it .. What could I get to make it look more aggressive I have this obsession with lowering things .. I had a bagged s-10 that was so much fun.. SO instead of going up and down I want to stop and go and turn and stuff lol..
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