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Old 09-26-2004, 12:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Im looking at zkw's on umnitza and here is what i found....

1 pair of zkw's = $360

1 pair zkw's+pnp = $395

1 pair zkw's+pnp+stongaurd = $409

All of you who chose to go with umnitza... which did yall go with? Is the pnp really worth the extra $$$, will i be able to install them on my e36 without pnp? And what about the stongaurd, does it make your headlights different in any way?

Now to get some info on HID... which i know absolutly nothing about (except that they look amazing on other bimmers) Who makes a good kit for the money? im not looking for the best, most expensive kit, but not a cheap one either, just a very good kit that isn't going make me go broke.

Ive noticed that you can buy different kits that have diff temperatures, 4500K, 5000K, 6000K, ect.... so which is a good choice to go with?? And once you have hid installed, what should you do with you fog lights, do they look bad since they aren't as bright?

i know i know this is alot of questions but there is alot of things i need to know if i want to upgrade my lights the right way
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Old 09-26-2004, 01:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If color temperature (that K reading, K stands for kelvin) defines the color of the light that is emitted. You want to shoot as close to 4100K as possible, this provides the best lighting for your eyes at nighttime. (lest ammount of glare & harshness compaired to other color temps.) The blue or even green HID are only fashion statements. "Look at me I have HID." ... but they wont see as well as you would with 4100K.

Your fogs would look oddly yellowish once your HID's are on, but if you get as close to 4100K as you can, it wont be bad since the HID light will be relitively whitish with maybe just a slight bit of yellow.

All the PNP is, you just plug n play. without it you need to splice some wires to install them, can take a bit longer, and you can make a mistake and have to troubleshoot them. For 30$, I don't think it's bad. You wont destroy your stock wiring harness with PNP either.

While your at it, get some clears for the front. I think they look good on a black car. That orange just kills it
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I found this in ebay, how does it look?

HID - EBAY

If not on ebay, where should i look to get a good kit???

Which type of bulb does my car use?
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Looks good for an HID kit, I'd personally just suck it up and buy from umnitza so you can return it if it dosn't work, otherwise you'd be SOL.

4300 kelvin is great.

You need projectors to do this right.
I don't remember if the euro projectors take H1 or H7.
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Hella, Phillips, Osram. Only HID manufacturers to consider. Autowerks sells Hella, which is what I have.
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Looks good for an HID kit, I'd personally just suck it up and buy from umnitza so you can return it if it dosn't work, otherwise you'd be SOL.

4300 kelvin is great.

You need projectors to do this right.
I don't remember if the euro projectors take H1 or H7.
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this is true, if i went with umnitza i could return them if needed, but it is just me or is umnitza really confusing. They don't tell you exactly what u are getting and they have many diff items that look the same but are just called something different used

one more thing... are hid's completley street legal?? my brother seems to think that in order to have hid's you have to have some type of self leveling devise that all the new bimmers have, so you don't blind ppl

also does anyone know what type of bulb zkw's use???
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If I'm not mistaken, they are legal here in US without the self leveling devices. In europe, I know those are manditory with HID. You see HID SUV's rolling around on the street with 50 year old women driving them don't you? and you know they arn't modding their car just to have HID. So yes, HID is legal, just be sure your lights are aligned so you don't blind people.

I don't think the ZKW's are ACTUALLY certified for use in USA, but they meet specs for euro, and those are more strict than US. Either way, Who the hell's going to check your headlight assembly? When getting your car inspected, they only check headlight alignment and if they light up at all.
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ZKWs use H1 bulbs.

Retrofitted HIDs are illegal. ZKWs (all projectors) are illegal. Neither are approved for on-raod use and are for offroad use only.
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autowerks HID kit seems pretty realible dude in town has it on his 328 and its rocking nice!!! if i ever get around to getting ellipsoids ill go that way too!

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Hey Id be gald to help you out with your questions send me a e-mail at Lostsurfer47@aol.com or catch me on AIM: Lostsurfer47
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Ive been looking at the hella kit on autowerk.com and noticed that the kit come in 6000k and 8000k. According to bitcore these would look blue. What are some opinions out there, do yall like the after market higher kelvin blueish hid kits or do yall like the more oem damn close to pure white, lower kelvin (around 4100k) kits? Man this is suck a big decision, im probably making it harder than it is but i just want to get something i will be happy with.

Maybe some pics would help, who has em???
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Ive been looking at the hella kit on autowerk.com and noticed that the kit come in 6000k and 8000k. According to bitcore these would look blue. What are some opinions out there, do yall like the after market higher kelvin blueish hid kits or do yall like the more oem damn close to pure white, lower kelvin (around 4100k) kits? Man this is suck a big decision, im probably making it harder than it is but i just want to get something i will be happy with.

Maybe some pics would help, who has em???
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These are the questions you need to answer. * Note the higher Kelvins you go the Light Quality goes down so if look is what your going for Bump it up*

Do you want Pure white color?
Go for 4500

( What I use on my car, Its the best of both worlds IMHO)Do you want a Blue/Purple Hue and a good white ?
If so go with 5000

Or do you want a Pure Blue/Purple ?
Go with 6000+
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I think that most people (including myself) are wondering what the colour looks like on various HID bulbs. What I mean is if you pick 5000K or 6000K or 12000K, what will it look like. Here are 2 sites that I found that show the different colours. I don't know how accurate they are but it will give you an idea.

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1) do be careful what you get.
2) We have a special - ZKW + HID for $685 + shipping. $20 off regular price.
3) if you ever have questions, contact us.
a) we won't be undersold by anyone for like products
B) we won't be under valued by anyone.

For that money you get Stongard, Bulbs, PnP, and peace of mind and PRE INSTALL!
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