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Old 03-24-2004, 02:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I check ebay a few times a week and I just noticed these Angel Eyes when I did a search on 318ti.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...item=2468571635

I hadn't noticed these in the past so I'm not sure how long they have been available. These look pretty good and appear to be priced very competively. I'm curious about three things:
(1) Has anyone purchased these exact items from ebay?
(2) Has anyone purchased anything from this vendor before?
(3) what do you think of this kit

This appears to be a complete set, including matching Turns and adapter kit for US. From the included photos the quality appears good. Other kits have exceeded the $400 range when you figure what all is needed.
I'd appreciate any and all feedback.
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Old 03-24-2004, 02:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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In my experience, you get what you pay for.

I'm sure that's probably not what you wanted to hear, but it's the most accurate assumption.
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THOSE ARE MINE MOFO!!! LOL J/K
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Old 03-24-2004, 04:18 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Man, i must say, i think i am now the angel eyes expert. i recently purchased a set of ZKW (German OEM _very HQ)w/ DDE (angel eyes) from umnitza.com and have had quite an ordeal. I am not gonna give you the whole long drawn out story (that is ongoing) but i can this....

The angel eye thing is cool, but not mass produced. Therefore it is somewhat of a custom piece. Knowing this, i would only buy such a product from someone who is easily reached (BY PHONE, EMAIL or both) and are willing to work with you through any potential problems. This looks like a good deal, the wiring harness included looks like mine (works well), and they look pretty good--although i do recomend the ZKW's- they are VERY WELL MADE (thicker glass lense, real projector that aims the light beam, much thicker plastics, etc.) I also paid 670.00US, so you are getting a good deal. I had the exact same side markers (as you see on below pic) and they look good, but are very cheap (i eventually replaced them with smoked oem corners). They are a cheap set for a cheap price and will probably look a lot better than what you have now. Just keep in mind that the deal you get now, may plague you later on, that is why i bit the bullet and bought quality.


Dude, trust me, i was very eager to buy these for my car so i know how you feel, but bottom line, BE CAREFUL and establish communication before purchasing!!!!! You really don't even know for sure if this is the set you will get, pictures can lie (feedback looks good, but even that can be manipulated)
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The only real way you can tell if the product you are about to buy is legit and you aren’t going to get ripped off is by the product pictures, and the seller's positive feedback ratio. I make it a point to NOT buy from people with a positive feedback percentage of anything less than about 96%. This means only 4 in 100 people were dissatisfied with the transaction or product the guy was selling. Pretty good odds.
This guy has a 99.3% positive feedback rating, this means only 7 out of 1,000 people were dissatisfied with the transaction. Dissatisfaction could range from a late shipping date, a miss shipped item, or damaged item. Read the feedback if you want more re-assurance.

Looks good to me and if I had the cash for these, I'd jump on it. These have it all. (5W streets, angle eyes, ellipsoids, black housings, H7's....)

EDIT: I can't tell you about the quality of the lights, im not a lighting guy... I can tell you that your transaction shouldn't be bad and you probably wont be disappointed by the results because of this guy's feedback rating.
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Looks good to me. I would go for it.
Almost every body on this forum always badmouths eBay. I have bought 100's of items at eBay and only been dissatisfied maybe twice. The secret is to check their feedback. If they have NEG. feedback, read it. Many jerks shopping at eBay leaves Neg. feedback for nothing.
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Old 03-24-2004, 07:29 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I like this whole concept about black housign WITH the matchign black housing corner lights. The headlight lens looks like its waiting to be cracked. Just hope those dog fog up internally. I persoanlly wouldn't go with anythign that cheap. Seems like it would fog up ont he inside if the seal was done incorrectly or anythign like that. Go with a company for such a critical item.
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if your worried about fog, you can always open it up, use some rain-x antifog stuff on the inside and blow compressed air or even better, nitrogen, into the housing as best as you can (or do it on a very dry day) while sealing it back up.
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Old 03-24-2004, 07:44 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Sure you could. Then again, you could also buy them from a well established company and worry quite a bit less. Just my opinion.

Nice idea though
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the seller looks reputable, but the auction is for what looks like DEPO headlights. I bought these headlights and am happy with them when i dont have to deal with their problems. they look good but are made much cheaper. the plastic is thin so when installing them make sure to use caution and dont break anything like i did. wiring however is a real breez and since hte angel eyes are installed already that makes it even better. so basically what im saying is go for it but just be careful when working with them!
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Europersona asked us to reply to this post.

Here's the issue with those:

1) Truth in advertising. He's using the image of a certain Chris from Understeer. That image is made with OEM rings and OEM fiber optics with EXTREMELY SLOW exposure.

2) The LEDs that he is using in the product (DEPO) are junk. You couldn't see them outside of a dark room, which is exactly where that was shot.

3) All angel eyes products ARE mass produced now. Even ours. Assembly is required at any level. The fact that we know how to effectively REDO the system doesn't mean it's not mass produced.

4) H7 bulbs are lower output than H1. This is a PROVEN FACT. Anyone daring to dispute otherwise better understand why they say that. There IS a way to make H7s outperform an H1, but it's at the expense of long life.

5) The very reason they are cheap are CHEAP components.
Europersona is selling DEPO w/ DDE Lightning - far better value for the money IMO.

Thanks for listening...remember you get what you pay for both in product and service.
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I ordered these today before I saw this post and I think they look great and have good quality... I'll let ya all know in about a week or two.
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To anyone else reading this thread that doesn't buy a set of these offf of ebay i though i'd include my final two cents (remember i'm the angel eye expert, heh heh...

depo lenses do suck compared to ZKW's they are cheap and can come with h7 bulbs that are dimmer compared to the ZKW's h1 bulb. The ZKW also has much better plastics and is just made better in general (as i stated earlier). And i'm sure our sponsor can set us up with tthose, if not umnitza certainly can, i should know, i' m a happy customer!!
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To anyone else reading this thread that doesn't buy a set of these offf of ebay i though i'd include my final two cents (remember i'm the angel eye expert, heh heh...

depo lenses do suck compared to ZKW's they are cheap and can come with h7 lenses that are dimmer compared to the ZKW's h1 bulb. The ZKW also has much better plastics and is just made better in general (as i stated earlier). And i'm sure our sponsor can set us up with tthose, if not umnitza certainly can, i should know, i' m a happy customer!!
Thanks for the vote of confidence.

Just need to clarify

DEPO lenses (both the outer glass and the inner refractory lenses) are lower quality in 3 major ways:
1) outer glass is thinner and wavy
2) outer glass is poorly "lined" <-- the character lines are wavy
3) inner refractory lenses fit weird and are very unsubstantial

DEPO refectors and projectors are lower quality in 2 main ways:
1) Lower quality (less output) projector - not significant, but identifiable side to side.
2) Lower quality reflector (rougher texture).

H7 bulbs (not lenses) provide slightly (50-100 lumens) less output than H1s.

In a lower quality projector, that means less and less output.


And finally, we sell both, so there is 0, none, zilch bias. We just tell it like it is.

We've never had anyone return a ZKW, but we've had plenty of DEPO converts to the ZKWs. The quality is noticeable.
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