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Old 08-25-2004, 03:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Since i have bought my car I only have one complaint...

In the dry I can drive this car hard, really hard and she performs perfectly (apart from the tramlining which you have prolly read about in my kajillion previous posts) but in the wet this car is a cruel mistress!

Any amount of aggression will result in a huge wobble at the least and at the worst a complete 180 spin...I have even whacked it from 4th to 3rd stuck my foot down and fishtailed my way down the road...weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Putting on 17X8's hasnt really helped as much as I would like.

Apart from driving Miss Daisy in the wet I wondered if anyone else experienced this in their bimmers....I know that in the UK we get a lot more rain than the USA so it prolly is only of interest to uk posters!

If I can find a buyer in the UK for my girl i might go 4WD...I looked at a very nice Imprezza last night!

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Old 08-25-2004, 05:07 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Why give up a BMW... for only one complaint about how it drives... Its a dry traction car.. as all cars were honestly meant to be driven hard durring dry weather.. and carefully durring bad weather. If you buy an AWD car... what you gain in traction you will lose in acceleration. Which ever way.. I just thought I'd point out the fact that you want to give up BMW for only one problem...


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What are you NUTS?!??

Giving up sauerkraut for rice?!?

WHat's wrong with a bimmer 4wd?

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Have you considered that you may have the wrong tires for rain conditions?
It's true any tire will lose traction once the lateral force is reached, but it could also be that you may be driving your car too hard for the conditions.
You may also consider a limited slip differential if you don't have one installed.
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Well put, rally. If you upgraded your wheels and tires, more than likely they came shod with a high performance tire. The biggest draw back of an ultra highperformance tire is wet weather traction. This would be true with any car, as it is not the car, it's the tire.

Try out some all season tires before you decide to downgrade to a Subaru.

BTW, if equiped with DSC, your car would be impossible to do such in any condtion.
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ha, dont get me wrong I love my BMW - she is very purdy!

However, last night I took out a friends Scooby - AWD 2.0 Imprezza Turbo with the prodrive performance pack, carbon bonnet, carbon wing - it is the new shape and boy does it look good! It's in black with black alloys, he has had it debadged, the lights meshed, and windows tinted 20% - very stealthy!

But the most impressive thing is the performance and handling...he has just sold a 328i and replaced it with the scooby and all he could say was "go on, go on, give it some it's not a BMW!!" and boy did I thrash the pants off it...I took corners in that beast at speeds he would never consider in the bmw either in the wet or in the dry!

This car has just done its 1000 miles run in and it eats M3's, Boxster S's and the like...once it is run in properly it will be even more impressive

I was also really impressed with the build quality and interior...the leather seats in it are some of the nicest trim I have ever seen...

Nice not Rice - but I guess its not a bmw so you can cane me all you want lol

When I have the money I'll get one...simple as that...sorry

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Well put, rally. If you upgraded your wheels and tires, more than likely they came shod with a high performance tire. The biggest draw back of an ultra highperformance tire is wet weather traction. This would be true with any car, as it is not the car, it's the tire.

Try out some all season tires before you decide to downgrade to a Subaru.

BTW, if equiped with DSC, your car would be impossible to do such in any condtion.
Hmmm Jllphan, you could be right about the tyres being shit for wet conditions as I am having some hair raising moments let me tell you!

but they came with the alloys for a meagre £200 (360 dollars) so they can stay until they are bare or I have crashed

Before you all start dont get me wrong about this..I know they are two very different styles of car with completely different advantages/disadvantages

But if you drove this guys car you would know what I mean

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No car is gonna get as good traction in the rain as on a dry road. I have to drive mine soft in the rain, or I go VERY SLOW with my back end trying to get away and alot of traction control light blinking... hehe but isn't that the fun part about rain??

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you can corner in the rain in this scooby at twice the speed you would consider in a bimmer...believe me when I say it was the most exciting drive I have ever had and I have driven a lot of cars in my life including all the hot hatches and some performance cars too

If I had £16K I would buy one in the blink of an eye!

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you can corner in the rain in this scooby at twice the speed you would consider in a bimmer...believe me when I say it was the most exciting drive I have ever had and I have driven a lot of cars in my life including all the hot hatches and some performance cars too

If I had £16K I would buy one in the blink of an eye!

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Put your tires in the Subaru and drive it in the same conditions you've described, then make a truer comparison.

Even though the Subaru will give better latteral control because of its drive train layout, I bet the difference in handling in the rain won't be worth $16K pounds.

I know this for a fact because I rallied a Legacy for 7 years and I know how they handle ... very nicely .... but so does my BMW.

Should we be thinking of an "advanced driver course" here?
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With My suspension seyup, and my Toyo's I avoid driving it like the plague in the rain.....thats just me though.
When I do though, you definatly just have to drive NOT like an idiot thats all.
Subaru's are fun but don't last nearly as long as a bimmer
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you can corner in the rain in this scooby at twice the speed you would consider in a bimmer...
You said earlier they are two different cars....stick with that. Yes an awd car may exhibit better wet weather handling, but a Subaru will get tossed around on a busy interstate with a bunch of semi trucks like a freakin ragdoll. I know these cars well, as the STi is the car of choice around these parts. I have a few friends with them, and have plenty of seat time in them. They are lots of fun, but wouldn't trade one for my Bimmer. NO WAY! For a car that is ten years newer, it has a lot to learn about feel. On paper these are great cars, but there are a lot of things that are found once driven. They just don't communicate nearly as much information to the driver as they shoud. My car tells me everything I need to know, with the Subaru it just seems more vague. Brake feel, suspension, and body roll aren't nearly as linear, and they are one of the few cars that actually require more maintenance than a Bimmer.

DOn't get me wrong, if you like 'em go for it. But whether it be a two or three hour road trip or a trip across town, I would deffinately take my whip. Come track day, well that may be a different story.
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Originally posted by RallyE36+Aug 25 2004, 02:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RallyE36 @ Aug 25 2004, 02:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-BLACKBMW@Aug 25 2004, 09:20 AM
you can corner in the rain in this scooby at twice the speed you would consider in a bimmer...believe me when I say it was the most exciting drive I have ever had and I have driven a lot of cars in my life including all the hot hatches and some performance cars too

If I had £16K I would buy one in the blink of an eye!

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Put your tires in the Subaru and drive it in the same conditions you've described, then make a truer comparison.

Even though the Subaru will give better latteral control because of its drive train layout, I bet the difference in handling in the rain won't be worth $16K pounds.

I know this for a fact because I rallied a Legacy for 7 years and I know how they handle ... very nicely .... but so does my BMW.

Should we be thinking of an "advanced driver course" here? [/b][/quote]
Find me a STOCK NEW car for £16K ($28K) - (stick on £1K of goodies) that does 0-60 in 3.9 seconds 155 mph restricted and handles like the Imprezza...you cant!

As I said earlier they are two very different cars...but the grin factor in the Subaru is unbeatable...we were out in this car again last night and it is very very impressive!
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