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#1 (permalink) Old 01-31-2005, 11:57 PM
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Alright so quick question about these lower springs, how do they compart to the m3 springs that are already on my ride? Will I lose cornering ability? Have Bouncy ride?

These are a hell of alot cheaper than a H&R Coilover kit. I looked at the cup kit but they don't make them for my suspension setup. How do the eibachs compare?

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of course course coil overs are gunna cost hell of a lot more.. because TRUE coilover kits come with the shocks too...

big red has the eibach springs.. and he says he loves them... ive heard good things about them.. and i will prolly buy them in the spring.. lowering your car with the eibach's will definately add a noticeable ride and stability compared to the m3 springs you got in your car now!

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Go for it! Eibach > M3 Stock springs

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Don't forget to pick up some struts that can handle the lower ride height. I recommend Bilstien or Koni.
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Word! Do pick up some bilsteins along with the springs. All I can tell you is that the two top springs for bmws are either H&R or Eibachs, no questions ask. Still not satify? Which I highly doubt it, then look into getting an x-brace or strut bar. But please get the springs/shocks first.

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Word! Do pick up some bilsteins along with the springs. All I can tell you is that the two top springs for bmws are either H&R or Eibachs, no questions ask. Still not satify? Which I highly doubt it, then look into getting an x-brace or strut bar. But please get the springs/shocks first.
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Go with H&R sport springs and Bilstein sport dampers, perfect drop, comfortable but firm ride, Bilsteins will outlast your car, I've had them for over five years...

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yeah i have eibach and really like them, it messed with my camber a lot and its eating through my tires so i gotta get that fixed... other than that its pretty awesome! get the shocks too, i think i am going to upgrade to H&R cupkit soon though.

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Alright so here is where the confusion comes in. H&R does not make a cupkit for the M3, only a coilover setup. I am assuming that is because the performance of the cupkit and the suspension setup of the m3 are about equal or the cupkit is a downgrade. I have the M3 suspension on my ride even though it is only a 328is(according to the dealership I have the M-package).

Bigred if you are looking at going from eibachs to a cupkit then that would mean that eibachs where not as good as the cupkit, and a cupkit would not be as good as the m3 suspension(assumption). Anyone else follow that.

Basically I am looking to drop my ride 1-2 inches and I want a stock ride or better. Not some civicy bouncy lowered ride like the hondas around town that just bought springs. However if I can get away with just eibachs and not get that bounce I will go that route. Else I will go for the H&R coilovers when I get the extra cash.

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well this is my experience, i have driven my car(of course) with eibachs loweres it great rides smooth corners better than stock. ive riden in some 325s with the cupkit, rides smooth as hell, corners better than my car, and is really really easy to drift. riden in an m3 with stock suspension... great great ride quality great handling etc... ride height is taller though, i think the cupkit is a better choice than stock m3 suspension specually if you wanna lower it a lot... thats just me! it would be worth getting.

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Eibach's are poor springs. They are now made in the US, and for some reason cost more than H&R springs.

Problems with Eibach springs...

1. stock spring rates with lower ride height (bouncy)
2. sags like no tomorrow! (I had -2.7 degrees of camber with my pro kits just after a year!)
3. made in USA, inconsistent spring rates. For some reason my passenger side was lower than my driver side? H&R springs fixed that problem.
4. a VERY progressive spring. This means that when you corner soft-moderately hard it will give you a very stock feeling soft mushy performance. When you start to push it hard through the corners, all of a sudden the spring rate shoots up and you get some ackward handling. The springs stiffen up so quick that you get some snappy oversteer, not good. A very unpredictable spring rate. H&R's are much much more linear.

Unless you're going for the Eibach linear ID race springs, go for the H&R's. Eibach's are more for looks more than anything else. H&R's have much more aggressive spring rates.

At one time Eibach's may have been good springs, when they were still somewhat a new company and made in Germany. However, now they are massly produced in USA and very inconsistent.

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Eibach's are poor springs. They are now made in the US, and for some reason cost more than H&R springs.

Problems with Eibach springs...

1. stock spring rates with lower ride height (bouncy)
2. sags like no tomorrow! (I had -2.7 degrees of camber with my pro kits just after a year!)
3. made in USA, inconsistent spring rates. For some reason my passenger side was lower than my driver side? H&R springs fixed that problem.
4. a VERY progressive spring. This means that when you corner soft-moderately hard it will give you a very stock feeling soft mushy performance. When you start to push it hard through the corners, all of a sudden the spring rate shoots up and you get some ackward handling. The springs stiffen up so quick that you get some snappy oversteer, not good. A very unpredictable spring rate.

Unless you're going for the Eibach linear ID race springs, go for the H&R's. Eibach's are more for looks more than anything else. H&R's have much more aggressive spring rates.

At one time Eibach's may have been good springs, when they were still somewhat a new company and made in Germany. However, now they are massly produced in USA and very inconsistent.

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that is part of the reason why i am switching to the h&r cup kit, myt camber is HORRIBLE after the eibachs, if you havent noticed ive posted a few threads about it, and am getting ready to get the tms adjustable control arms now...
That is untill i can get my h&r and then i got both!

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I had price quotes on an H&R coilover setup for my car and they run about 1800-1900 installed. That is a fairly large amount of cash to plop down on suspension. However I will not and can not take a performance hit to gain a visual look. I would like to run with the BMW of seattle club at track days, but I don't know how my suspension will do on a track for anything halfway serious.

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...I would like to run with the BMW of seattle club at track days, but I don't know how my suspension will do on a track for anything halfway serious.
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So why not go to a track day and see what the other BMWs are running? Talk with the owners and see what they run, and if they would buy the same again. Do this before you spend your hard earned cash...


As for made in the USA being worse than made elsewhere; riiiiiiiiight! BMW, and every European OEM Supplier has been selling that story for their parts since the beginning. Its not where its made, but what specs, quality, material, and construction guidelines they adhere to; where ever they are made.
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The reason H&R makes different suspensions set ups (or don't offer certain ones for the M3) is because the M3 differs in fitment. The M3 has spring perches that the other e36 cars don't have, and because of that, they need a diffferent design.

Your dealer may have told you have M3 suspension, but I doubt it. To my knowledge the 328is has a sport suspension, but that's it. You may have some ///M trim (steering wheel, body kit, etc.), but it's pretty much just asthetics.

Autotechnica tracks his car, so if you want good advice for a suspension system for track days, he's a good guy to ask (or listen to).

Coilovers are considerably more expensive becuase you are replacing shocks and springs, not just springs. Keep in mind if you buy new lowering springs, you should buy new shocks. So this means your gonna buy new shocks AND springs, regardless.

So you can spend $500-800 on decent springs and shocks, or you can spend $900-1300 on a decent coilover kit. The coilovers will give you better handling, but will sacrifice ride quality in doing so. If you do plan to do a lot of public road driving, the first of the two aforementioned systems would be the way to go. IF you just want performance, go with coilovers.

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