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Old 11-21-2005, 12:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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92 e36 needs some love too!

I don't want to hi-jack the thread that got me thinking of this so I started this one.

Does anyone know of any possible advantages (aside from one less thing to break) of not having vanos. The only thing's I've thought of are:

Compression should be lower, but by how much? As long as everything is still forged might it be a better FI engine potentially?

Also they sell completely different cams for the '92, without the vanos can they maybe rev higher or be set up for a better high end?

Any other ideas or am I doomed to try an engine swap if I'm aiming for at least 300 rwhp?
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300 whp is easily atainable with non-vanos

non-vanos has a iron block, and the cams run hotter, so u can swap the intake cam into the exhaust cam area and get a shrick or eurospec m50 non-vanos intake cam and throw it in the intake cam spot, duno the exact degrees and lift...but i can find out tommrow...jason actually has said that he believes he can rev this motor to 8K or was it 9K and do 200 mph....in a year or so im actually gona be FI'ing my car...duno which setup, i was lookin at turbokits.com but the more i think about it the more im going towards a custom setup...i originally only wanted like 300 whp with the tsi kit from turbokits.com but now im thinking if ima go FI might as well push around 400- 450....so custom setup might end up being my route...
so wat u can do: cam, s50 crank,then get custom software...

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non Vanos cams are :
INTAKE 240 degrees, 9.7mm lift
EXHAUST 240 degrees, 9.0mm lift

Vanos 2.5L cams are (I think):
INTAKE 228 degrees, I forgot how much lift, but not more that 9.7mm
EXHAUST 228 degreesm 8.9mm lift


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256 degrees
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Keep me updated on that, I would love to stay naturally aspirated if possible. A german 6 revving to 8 or 9k would sounds absolutely nuts!

I'm still leaning widebody so I'll probably be doing that while you're working on the engine.
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There is one advantage to the early 92 E36's, however it has nothing to do with vanos. You have strut tab mounted sway bars like the M3. It makes your ride a little harsher, but improves handling. However, should you take advantage of that your subframe will rip apart.
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Keep me updated on that, I would love to stay naturally aspirated if possible. A german 6 revving to 8 or 9k would sounds absolutely nuts!

I'm still leaning widebody so I'll probably be doing that while you're working on the engine.
Without solid lifters the valves will float at 8K, they can rev higher than the vanos motors, but i wouldnt want to push it past 7600 without some serious mods.

Use s50 internals, hotter cams, s50 or custom pistons, bore the block to fit the pistons, knife edge the crank, and you will have one fucking badass motor. Theres a guy over on r3v running a similar setup to what i said.

After all is said and done, a used s50 may be cheaper, but you wont have the goodies that come along with building your own setup. Plus.. how fun would it be to build an engine like that
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This is where my wholesale connections come in handy

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when u get the s50 crank u dont need to do jack from waht ive been told, just use the m50 rods and pistons...
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That yeilds 2.9L, you get 3.0 if you use s50 pistons. Im 97% positive about that. Also, im not sure, but i think that if you use an s52 head then it will be alot more rev happy, as the s52 head components add up to be about a lb lighter than the s50 or m50 components. By components i mean valves, trays, lifters.

The s50 head is the same as the m50 correct?
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As far as I know, they're the same.

By the way, I'm getting this kit before I pull a SpeedInfusion.
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As far as I know, they're the same.

By the way, I'm getting this kit before I pull a SpeedInfusion.
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hahaha well good luck on the welding cost....also, have ur subframe bushings changed...
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