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3-Series (E21, E30) Chat relating to the BMW 3-Series from 1975-1983 and 1984-1991 line. Specific models: BMW 315, BMW 316, BMW 318, BMW 318i, BMW 320/4, BMW 320i, BMW 320/6, BMW 323i, BMW 320i. E30 Family models include: BMW 325e, BMW 325i, BMW 325is, BMW 325ix.

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Old 03-25-2004, 09:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi,
I currently own a 1987 Saab 900 Turbo 16valve that puts out approximately 225bhp. Recently I have gotten alot of rides in the 3 series that this forum is for. I have been wondering about a few things. My father has told me that these cars do not have a revolution limiter and thus often have alot of engine trouble, is this true? Secondly can a car equal in power or close to that of my current car be had for under $5000? Third, I am a college student, how do the insurance rates look for these cars? All and any help will be appreciated as I am hoping to make a purchase within the next few months.

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Old 03-25-2004, 09:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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welcome to bmw-forums tevid!

only the early european 2.3L 323i's werent rev limited. the 325i/is (87-91) is limited at 6500rpm but can be chipped to go 6800 safely, and the 325, 325e, and 325es are limited around 4500rpm. none of the 6cyls are top speed limited.

the 325i and 325is have extremely smooth 2.5L engines, but cannot be modded to 225hp. you could possibly get around 200 crank hp with a mild rebuilt stroker engine (more info at www.strictlyeta.net), but other than that its not worth it to waste your money on things like cold air intakes or performance exhaust systems. they can be regeared to improve acceleration with a 4.10:1 ratio over the stock 3.73:1, and can also be chipped for about a 3-4 peak hp gain and about 10hp max gain lower in the powerband.
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Old 03-25-2004, 10:42 PM   #3 (permalink)
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so there really is no choice in my price range in BMW terms that would satisfy my wants?

i am used to a car that is known to have a horribly weak gearbox (i.e. the car is not dragable), but has a huge amount of acceleration from about 45mph up,
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Old 03-25-2004, 11:32 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Insurance rates....yeah, they'll kill ya. I've had two collisions, and no tickets. State Farm wouldn't sell me insurance. Farmers insurance wanted $4500 a year, Geiko roughly 3500, and finally i settled for the cheapest insurance in town, which is still at 2400. I live in CA, get good grades (3.0+gpa in college) and my car is a 1988 325: still getting rimmed. Must be cuz I'm 20 and my car is red. Oh, and on those rates, the deductables are all 500 (full coverage). So, insurance is gonna be expensive.
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Old 03-26-2004, 12:16 AM   #5 (permalink)
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well, hp isn't everything if you didn't know that already. e30s are remarkable cars and very reliable and make really good track cars. Imho, they look a lot better than saab 900 turbo (maybe with a little bias behind my opinion ).
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what mods have been done to the saab?
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Old 03-26-2004, 11:48 AM   #7 (permalink)
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here goes the list

Modded APC (turbo system)
Swedish DYnamics Oversize Blue Injectors
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Old 03-27-2004, 12:36 PM   #8 (permalink)
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damn bro... does that saab get it or what? on the insurance thing, i am paying $1100 a year. I'm 19, red BMW 318i, with a bunch of tickets and a wreck (in my pickup) Geico... i guess i should be happy im not payin what, $2400? jeeze.
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Old 03-28-2004, 06:50 AM   #9 (permalink)
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hey guys,

im guessing that this is an american webby.. however here in Australia insuring a 318i is no more expensive than any other 1.8 ltr car, which i found surprising being an 18 year old student.

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