BMW Forum BMW Forum

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Google Links

» Log in
User Name:

Password:

Not a member yet?
Register Now!
» Wheel & Tire Center

Sponsors

Sponsors

Go Back   BMW Forum - BimmerWerkz.com
Register Home Forum Active Topics Gallery / Garage Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


       
View Single Post
Old 09-30-2004, 09:15 AM   #15 (permalink)
schilke
2nd Gear Member
 
schilke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Car:
Posts: 397
Photos: 0
schilke is an unknown quantity at this point
Quote:
Originally posted by billB@Sep 29 2004, 12:24 PM
Schilke
Thanks for the reply. If the following statement is true:
Why can't Ford or Chevy build a car of the same quality/dynamics/etc..? Because we won't buy it. A $35K ford focus?
Don't we pay alot more for different cars?
To the quality shortcuts you mentioned ? At ford/Gm does competition play a major role at the end product? or it is what you described? If true where this path is going to lead to?

NOTE: There is no wrong no right no smart no whatever answers to this topic; as long as it respects other member's opinion.

Thank you again Schilke
regards
[snapback]201397[/snapback]
As LOS said, those of us who have the wherewithall, appreciation, and desire, purchase the more expensive cars. BMW to the few, GM to the masses.

The latest edition of Crain's Automotive News has lists of North American vehicle production. Granted, it isn't a reflection on sales, but it gives a good idea:

Total NA GM from January to 9/11/2004: 3,476,502
Ford same dates: 2,488,673
Chrysler Same Dates: 1,868,415
Ready for this, BMW, same dates: 105,297

Even without knowing how many BMW imports, its not nearly enough to equal the big 3.

I fully believe, because truck manufacturing is very similar, that the equation:

(Cost)(Quality)(Delivery) = Constant is true.

We can't have low cost AND high quality AND 18-24 month vehicle development times.

As for competition, Ford has stopped competing with Japanese manufacturers, because they own one. Why compete when you can buy one? Ford builds American style cars for those masses who want them. THey also own the company (Mazda) that builds Japanese style cars for those who want them! There is no competition.

Product Development is not driven these days by the 'competition' but rather the quest for more profit.

Can I build a lower cost tarus? No. But I can build a ford 500, for the same cost as a tarus and charge more for it. Aha!!

Even my company does this. Why are we coming out with a new class 3, 4, 5 medium duty truck? Not because GM/Isuzu, Hino, and Mitsubishi have ones, but because we want more money. It has to be better than the competition by default for the business case to make sense. We want to become a much larger company.

It's a suttle difference, but it's there. THe idealists are the ones that tell you,"We are gonna make a car to compete with Japan!"

But in reality its more like, "We can make millions if we introduce a car in this market segment."
__________________
Need a new sig...

A BMW is for the soul, a Chevy is for groceries...

BAN KRAFTFAHRER!!!!
schilke is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.0.0

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:32 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
  • AutoForums.com
  • Truck
  • European
  • Import
  • Domestic
  • Manufacturer

AutoForums.com is the premier network of enthusiast-owned enthusiast-operated automotive communities.
We operate more than 100 automotive forums where our users consult peers for shopping information and advice, and share experiences and opinions as a community.

Visit AutoForums.com today.

For advertising information, please visit our AutoForums.com website and Contact Us, or send an email message to sales@autoforums.com.